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Really ANACS?!! 1800 Bust Dollar. This Cannot Be Right!

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What is going on with this coin and seller.

This listing shows an MS61 1800 bust dollar. One problem, that coin is not even close to mint state. Not even close!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1800-1-MS61...AOSwmLlX-0oW

There are three pictures of the coin including a slab picture in the description.

Now here is where this gets interesting....The same seller is selling a VF30 NGC 1800 bust dollar with the same photos. Only there is not a slab picture on this listing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1800-1-VF30...AOSwNRdX-0hg

Im wondering if someone delicately replaced the coin that was originally graded.

VF30 seems reasonable, but the picture of this coin in an MS61 slab with ANACS screams a tampered holder to me.
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 Posted 04/27/2017  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex12780 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is yet another example of why I think coin imaging should always be included in the grading and slabbing process.
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Hey Red, I loved (?) scrolling through this dude's barfalicious web page, what hokey graphics, besides the "L@@K", OMG, that was painful!




BTW, even said he has an 1804...so do I...all three top are fake
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If I did this right - it seems only ONE graded in MS61 - but couldn't find a picture of the actual coin, definitely not the one that is in that auction!
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 Posted 04/27/2017  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The slab picture in the first listing is photoshopped.

Look at the lower right corner of the slab...


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I'll say, even the doctored ones. Policy violation?
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Good grief.
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 Posted 04/27/2017  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dlangs56 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With all the fancy fonts and graphics, must be legit.
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The coin has also grown in size....
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I put a post about this in the Counterfeit forum - this listing needs to be removed.
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Wow. Great sleuthing as always, nss-52.
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WOW, thanks NSS for sharing. I have an 1855/54 that is NGC graded at AU53. The coin looks to be a VF35 and not a AU53 (I am not complaining). Here is a picture of it, what do you think?


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I think the half dollar graded above is pretty close to what I'd grade it. Lots of shield line/hair/dress detail and sharp Liberty. Definitely not VF for me.
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And the seller has 100% positive feedback... Wow.
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Great sleuthing as always, nss-52.


I just illustrated what spruett001 first noticed in an earlier post, and added a side-by-side to show the poor photo editing.
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If you move this to the counterfeit forum, maybe bobby can help get this taken down!
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