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Valued Member
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I'm posting in the hopes that opinions will help me improve my grading skills. Thanks in advance!  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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In my opinion I would say probably no lower than MS-65+
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Valued Member
 United States
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Great to know. Thank you. I wish I could capture the luster. It's a nice coin I found CRH. Still pretty new at this but enjoying it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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With what looks like a couple scratches in the field, MS-63 would be opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Well its a nice coin, and who knows it could be as high as MS-68 if PCGS graded it. (Although could still be as low as MS-65+)
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Edited by John1
04/30/2017 3:21 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks for the link John1
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Rest in Peace
United States
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An MS Lincoln CRH ? I'll wait till Crazyb0 gives his assessment .  |
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Canada
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We need both sides to give a proper grade.
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T-Bop.....  By definition, if this coin is found "CRHing", MS ANYTING ain't gonna happen, it is a CIRCULATED coin (yes, I'm yelling!) In CRH, coins have been "handled" by at least TWO parties...one to return to a bank or other collecting service (Coinstar etc.) which then goes to a central Fed processing point which again is "handled" putting thes coins from canvas transport bag (usually) into a MACHINE sorter/wrapper. This transport and sort causes all sorts of "Bumps, Dents and Scratches".  ANY question?  Oh ya, AU-59, highest circulated grade possibly given. If the coin came out of an OBW (original bank roll) of ALL 1999P's THEN and only then can you truthfully, numismatically call some an MS grade. BTW, OBW canbe a misnomer as well...coins most often come from mint bagged and then sorted/rolled through Fed distribution. This is what most "OBW" rolls refer to.   Edited by Crazyb0
04/30/2017 6:09 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Both sides need to be seen for a proper opinion of grade.
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United States
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First off,coins are transferred by a Ballistic Bag now a days that hold tons at a time. No longer are they put in $50 (cents) canvas bags. If I go to my bank and get a full box of 2017 cents,wrapped by let's say Brinks the coins in those rolls are not mint state? John1  |
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By definition, if this coin is found "CRHing", MS ANYTING ain't gonna happen, it is a CIRCULATED coin (yes, I'm yelling!) In CRH, coins have been "handled" by at least TWO parties...one to return to a bank or other collecting service (Coinstar etc.) which then goes to a central Fed processing point which again is "handled" putting thes coins from canvas transport bag (usually) into a MACHINE sorter/wrapper. This transport and sort causes all sorts of "Bumps, Dents and Scratches". By that definition, the ONLY way to obtain an MS coin is if you stand in front of the coining machine, catch it as it's ejected and put it into a holder. All grades are an indication of the WEAR on a coin. A given coin can be handled over and over and packaged/rolled several times and not show any wear. I've pulled thousands of mint state coins from bank rolls and bags - and had quite a few graded by the 3 top TPG's. They ALL can back Mint State. Telling new collectors that it's impossible to obtain a mint state coin from circulation is a disservice to the hobby.  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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John1, those are true OBW rolls, 1) all same date 2) came from mint to distribution...hopefully w/o human handling. If some of these "mint" 2017 cents become mixed with other date area returns, there is the "gray area" to dispute! I seriously doubt, although not impossible, OBW rolls of say 1999P's may be introduced by a large quantity into the Fed regional distribution. I know you, I, and others have come across nice BU type coins, myself sometimes quite a few in a bank box. I believe these to be from some deceased collector's relatives dumping rolls for the cash, personally witnessed this at a local bank{turned in) and at a coinstar where customer broke the rolls into the hopper(refused to sell to me, idiot!). I close by suggesting that CRH be formally changed to "Circulated Roll Hunting", that more fits the description! |
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The term "uncirculated" is an equivocal term. It can mean 1) no wear; or 2) never in circulation. If you keep the two meanings distinct, then the problem goes away. A coin from circulation (second meaning) can have a grade of uncirculated (first meaning).
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Aristarchus123, exactly. Once the OP was CRHing a roll purchased from the bank and opened it, voila!...in circulation. Can't really see why it is so HARD to understand, if a coin has been touched by human hands it is circulated. Which can be said for the coins I've removed from my OBW rolls if I were to put my nice MS66+ 1958D's back into the bank dump bag and return to be placed into circulation, you think I'd do that?   |
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