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1799 Liberty Silver Dollar Exposed Bust. Is It Real? Value?

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 Posted 04/30/2017  8:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RobinBanks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,
My first coin post. I am being offered $2000 to purchase this coin. I do not know the real value of the coin, nor its authenticity. Can an expert chime in and let me know if this is a good buy?

Thanks
Robin

1799-Liberty-Silver-Dollar-Exposed-Bust.--Is-It-Real?-Value?

1799-Liberty-Silver-Dollar-Exposed-Bust.--Is-It-Real?-Value?
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 Posted 04/30/2017  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Optimist-numismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally I'd say fake
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 Posted 04/30/2017  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Robin.

I would question the authenticity of this coin.
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 Posted 04/30/2017  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fake
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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 Posted 04/30/2017  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobinBanks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, thank you for the quick responses. Can someone elaborate more on why you feel this coin is not authentic? Thanks
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 Posted 04/30/2017  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Looks very fake to me
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MikeF's Avatar
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 Posted 04/30/2017  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Danger! Run.

Edit: rotate the pictures and compare to a real one. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/6878

Then report the seller if it's an ebay deal.
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04/30/2017 9:06 pm
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This is a cast copy. The surface looks uniformly grainy. Also, the coin has raised rims which is a feature of coins that came much later.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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 Posted 04/30/2017  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dlangs56 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Date too big, denticles should go all the way to the edge. This coin has a rim on the outside where it shouldn't. http://m.PCGScoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/6878 shows a legitimate one.
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I would unfriend the person who offered this and consider reporting them to the authorities. S/he can sort it out with the authorities if s/he didn't know it was fake.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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 Posted 04/30/2017  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cownas22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
100% fake, run!

Also tell coins owner it's a fake, they may just not be knowledgeable and have no idea the coins a fake
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 Posted 04/30/2017  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matt2727 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FAKE!

The indicators of it being counterfeit to me are primarily that the date is way too big, "Liberty" is too spread out on the obverse, and the coin has an overall blurriness of details (indicative of a cast copy).

Here is a link to more information/ pictures:
http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Hierarchy.aspx?c=23
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Welcome to the CCF!

You were smart to come here with your question. Your coin is undeniably fake. The grainy-cast appearance is the first give-away.

Scroll through the CCF Forums and you'll get smart fast! There are a number of fake coins (just like yours) people have asked for help about before buying them.

Good luck in your search!
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 Posted 04/30/2017  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobinBanks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I want to thank everyone for their feedback and insight on this. You saved me $2000. Lol. I have pictured below a coin I purchased from the same person selling the Liberty coin. I only spent $20 on this Morgan, but now I question its authenticity as well after all this. Let me know what your thoughts are on the Morgan. Thanks again.

1799-Liberty-Silver-Dollar-Exposed-Bust.--Is-It-Real?-Value?

1799-Liberty-Silver-Dollar-Exposed-Bust.--Is-It-Real?-Value?
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 Posted 04/30/2017  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's pitted on the obverse and the hair seems too detailed given the dark toning of the coin. Also it would be helpful if an admin could rotate the photos. I can only tilt my monitor so far.

To make thinks easier, can you post a link to the sellers ebay store? It will save a lot of time.
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 Posted 04/30/2017  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobinBanks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike,
The seller is a co worker of mine who buys lockers on the side and found a hoard of coins in one of them.
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