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Encrusted Old Coins Now Have Details Showing Need To Identify Please Help

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I acquired these coins a month ago, and have been soaking them in Olive Oil for a day or two at a time. Slowly the images became visible. Easy now I know I scratched the face on one; you can't beat me up anymore that I already have. The encrusted matter was dense and when it came off was like oil base paint. Everything I have done to them I have read or watched videos on. I am now trying to educate myself on the best methods for finishing the restoration. I would like to identify them as well. I have spent a lot of time on these and I am very curious about their origins and of course their value. I appreciate you all very much and thank you for any input you provide.
The second Image is not much to go on. Those coins are about to have another layer taken off and will update with a new photo as soon as they are ready. They are not in the best of condition with pitting and all, but I still have high hopes for them.

This material encrusting them is extremely tough. Any other safe methods other than olive oil to soften and remove the layers would be helpful.
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@ANF, first welcome to CCF. Second, best practice is to post your coins one at a time--when they are in a group like this, each coin gets fewer pixels, which can be a problem if you are asking us to figure them out. Oddly your pics both seem to show a different number of coins. When you have taken your coins through their next cleaning, please organize your pics to only show a single coin. I look forward to seeing your progress!

I'm glad you now realize that scraping the surface of the coin was a bad idea. Perhaps a little more patience with the olive oil? These coins may have become crusted over the course of centuries so an extra week of soaking is definitely preferable to scraping up the surface.
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I appreciate you input and truly enjoy the quote you left. Psychology and Sociology were two of my favorite classes. This is my first time doing this ever; both posting and restoring. I completely understand your confusion with the pictures, and noted the one at a time for quality/organized photo presentation. LOL one picture is of the left side of warming olive oil and the other is the right side of the tray hehe. I am cracking up here over "Oddly your pics both seem to show a different number of coins.", and I confused the day light out of the thread participant :-). I am working on the coins now; there is a total of nine. One hour from now there will be progression pictures to inspect. Where coins in those days made from anything similar in color to gold? I enjoyed you input Spence and thank you kindly.
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I do not plan on cleaning Coin#1 any further. I believe it will only harm the coin. I want to know which would preserve the coin better coating of olive oil, or Vaseline? Then I am going to permanently seal the coin away in a hard case.
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That's a Constantinopolis commemorative - 'victory on prow', isn't it?
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Some coins will have to wait a couple days before enough of the image is visible in my opinion, but I will post a picture at the end of this cleaning today of the group of them.
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The coin I scratched
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The remainder that need time to soak.


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could you describe your cleaning process? these coins look very harshly cleaned and in very poor quality, they all look like late roman bronze coins, very common and probably not worth more than you originally paid.
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This material encrusting them is extremely tough. Any other safe methods other than olive oil



It is possible that the hard material you are struggling to remove is patina. That should not be removed.

Olive oil is where you need to start, but not for a day or two per coin. Use it for WEEKS at a time per coin.

Do not use brass or other metal brushes for harsh cleaning.

More of the detail of a coin will be preserved if you use a very gentle, light touch with your cleaning, and do not hurry (anxious as you may be to see the design).
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This all appear to be Late Roman Bronze coins (LRB), sadly their condition is bad and no amount of further cleaning will help.

These are a good source to learn how to clean ancient coins. This being a good example of what not to do. Cleaning is a slow process either by soaking the coin in distilled water or olive oil to soften the encrustations. Than using a soft brush to remove the layers of dirt without removing the patina on the coin. Hard bristly wire brushes are a no-no.
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Thank you all for your input, and I did accelerate the process in theses last few days. I began by reading that you soak your coins in olive oil to loosen the crust from the coin. In everything I read and watched it was suppose to get much softer and flake/crumb off fairly easy. Never had that happen. First soak was 3 or 4 days. I used a toothbrush and soapy distilled water; with plain distilled rinse. There was almost no change in the density or thickness of crust. So I began allowing the coins to soak in bags for a week at a time. Then about a week ago I ran across an article and videos about adding heat to your olive oil coin bath. I used a small gas burner on low for 15 minute intervals, then 30, and the 45 minuter intervals. finally some of the crust gave way with the addition of a toothpick like demonstrated, and a size able amount of pressure. In demonstration it was described as just about no pressure to remove the crust. So I began to think that someone had spilled glue or paint etc. on the coin to from that hard of an exterior. I used the wrong muscle. I should have researched how to for example use a pool test kit to perhaps identify the material incasing the coin to find alternative methods of degrading the integrity of the coins crust. I now realized a second lesson was learned in that moment; when you are tired take your butt to bed. So I obviously pressed on using the wrong muscle and removed the crust down to the coin. While I read and watched a couple videos I was giving the coins another warm bath. Final thoughts were to get the coins more visible to post. Ah, look here third lesson the fool rushed. It may have been a less that perfect trip, but I thoroughly enjoyed the challenge and I am always ready to learn more through research. Alright Critique me further GO ;-)
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@ANF, you have a great attitude and I hope that you stick around CCF. There are several really knowledgeable folk here (and then others like me who are still learning). Hopefully you didn't pay a ton for that lot of coins. If nothing else, you learned how to take some great pics of your coin.
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