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Netherlands
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Hi all, Yesterday I have bought a collection of coins containing this Seated dollar from 1872. Weight is at 26.68 grams and diameter seems okay, also sound and magnetic test do not raise any concerns. Colors on the pics are not matching reality, probably I should have waited for natural light instead of taking them last night. I expect knowledge on our side of the pool to be limited, so I would definitely appreciate our expertise on determining whether this coin is genuine. Thanks and regards, Sebastian The Netherlands   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If it's fake it's a good one.
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Moderator
 United States
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Welcome
See note I sent you
rggoodie
aka Richard
"catch em doing something right"
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The pictures suggest slightly rough fields and somewhat mushy details. I cannot completely dismiss it for mushy details, because loss of detail can also be the result of wear, though fields are a little harder to ignore.
Edited by sel_69l
05/17/2017 8:30 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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It's a fake.
The porous fields and devices are a giveaway for poorly made counterfeits.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1609 Posts |
If it's fake - it's a good one.
If it's real - it's an ugly one.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8137 Posts |
It's fake. The CC mintmark gives it away.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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New Member
 Netherlands
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Thanks for your help. I guess I need to find a coin shop to be sure. 1 picture with day light:  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 You clearly have a cast counterfeit. This is a key date dollar worth many thousands of USD if genuine and this one isn't even close. The bottom coin is a genuine $5,000 VF35.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Look at the amount of detail difference in this small portion of the obverse. Both coins are VF+.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The eagle gives it away. Note how the entire surface of the eagle has a granular texture. Almost all of the die-struck Chinese fakes nowadays have that characteristic.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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to the CCF! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Typecoin971973, I have seen the granular finish from other fakes before but usually it covers the entire surface of the coin not the high points. I do not see the granular surface in the fields. It looks like the coin has been through alot but I still think it can be a legitimate coin.
BH1964, I am taking a leap of faith on what has been presented but what I have been taught (I might not have been taught correctly also) is that it is almost impossible to get the weight even close enough to an original weight without the coin being off in diameter or thickness. So if this is a cast fake (a cast to me would mean exact diameter) then how is the weight this close? Maybe too thick? I see that the weight is a little bit high (26.78 compared to 26.73 original) but I would think that the digital scale could be a little off?
You both are making valid points but I still think that this could be real. I think that if we had the coin in hand that we could make a better decision. Please comment as I am still learning and would never take offense to any suggestions or comments.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks, well-reasoned.
To me, edges on subject coin don't appear to have normal denticles, but rather beading. Doesn't look right.
Also, space between the top of numeral 2 and bust seems to differ in the comparison photos.
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05/17/2017 6:31 pm
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Moderator
United States
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On genuine coins the denticles meet the rim. On the fake the denticles do not meet the rim. On genuine coins the rim is flat. On the fake the rims are not flat (and show no signs of wear - not matching the supposed wear on the rest of this coin).  |
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Posted 05/17/2017 06:14 am
