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Real ? - 1872 CC Seated Liberty Silver Dollar

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 Posted 05/17/2017  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems clear that the subject coin is a fake.
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Four people posted that it looked real, might be real or might not be fake.
Five people posted that was fake.

My vote: fake
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 Posted 05/17/2017  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your analysis seems logical. Must agree. The reeding issue is overwhelming.
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nss-52 reasonings clearly show the subject coin is a fake.
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BH1964, I am taking a leap of faith on what has been presented but what I have been taught (I might not have been taught correctly also) is that it is almost impossible to get the weight even close enough to an original weight without the coin being off in diameter or thickness. So if this is a cast fake (a cast to me would mean exact diameter) then how is the weight this close? Maybe too thick? I see that the weight is a little bit high (26.78 compared to 26.73 original) but I would think that the digital scale could be a little off?


HeyMikeP: The weight, diameter and thickness of good counterfeits can be perfect re: mint specifications because they are made of 90% silver just as the originals were. Whether this piece was cast or die-struck is hard to say but it's clearly not an original (and very scarce) 1872-CC dollar.
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Pretty sure it's a fake in one glance. The rims on SLD's should be noticeably wider or thicker than any other dollars. A cast counterfeit. The ribbon with the motto is very weak and the fields are bumpy. Plus Liberty's head looks creepy.
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I don't think its real, you can go ahead and try ANACs and see but I think it will come back as a fake
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I am also thinking the coin in question is a fake.
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I always look mat the stars, especially on the right side they get really out of normal shape/size.
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Typecoin971973, I have seen the granular finish from other fakes before but usually it covers the entire surface of the coin not the high points. I do not see the granular surface in the fields. It looks like the coin has been through alot but I still think it can be a legitimate coin.


Check out the spark erosion process.

The granular dies can always have had the fields smoothed by being polished.
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This is one of my fakes. Note how the surfaces are PL and smooth and the devices are granular and mushy like the OP coin.

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If it's fake - it's a good one.


I think this is a horrible fake, not even close to a "good one". Perhaps this is why so many fakes get bids and even sell.

Sebastian, you were wise to come here and get opinions. What do you plan to do with the coin?

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Never seen a wire rim Seated dollar.
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Numerous issues in the devices and surface, it is not genuine, imo
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