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Hello everyone,

I have two questions.. first one.. isn't a planchet flaw coin considered a collectible error? If so should it increase the value of what is considered a valuable coin on its own?

Second question.. I see on ebay, many many people that have multiple full bank boxes of the new 2017 cents.. I have called every banking institution in the valley where I live and everyone one of them told me they cannot order/get these. They claim they can only get boxes of circulated cents. Does anyone know how these people are getting these full boxes of new cents? I would love to get my hands on some, but can't see paying double the face value (x2) in order to get both mints.. :( Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.. thank you.. Robert
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1. isn't a planchet flaw coin considered a collectible error?
Only if you collect them
should it increase the value of what is considered a valuable coin on its own?
Not necessarily.if the coin on it's own has a value, the error could decrease the value to someone who want that particular coin "error free"
2. Banks can not order a particular year of coin,they get what they get. I used to get 10-12 boxes of cents at a time and every now and then there would be a couple "new" cents boxes.
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1. isn't a planchet flaw coin considered a collectible error?
Only if you collect them
should it increase the value of what is considered a valuable coin on its own?


I agree. There are some folks who put a premium on different mint errors, including planchet flaws, but this isn't universal.
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 Posted 05/20/2017  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmsexauer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent information.. when you say "get" does that mean you asked the bank to order the boxes or they had that many available?

Also here are some photos of the planchet flaw coin I was referring to.. I think its a gorgeous coin. Now that I look at it some more I think it also has rotated reverse?

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 Posted 05/20/2017  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Druu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure it's a rotated reverse. The obverse isn't properly aligned in the holder, so it does give the appearance of a rotated die error. The date should be at the six o'clock position on the coin. If you flip it along its horizontal axis, I believe it will be closer to normal rotation.

A planchet flaw or quirk probably will not add much, if any, value to a coin that is already rare/uncommon and has intrinsic value. It will add value to a common coin.
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I called on Mondays and ordered,then picked them up on Wednesday.
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I found a similar error on this Flying Eagle cent for sale: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1857-Flying...232204324725

You'd have to check sold prices for awhile to see what they really sell for.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1858-Flying...AOSwmgJY7ofv

Awesome... thank you.. does this coin look like it has been cleaned?
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About cent boxes from banks. I have been searching them for years. Banks use different carriers. Brinks here only carries circulated cents I guess unless they run out which is hardly ever. Garda and some of the other carriers around here are more likely to carry different boxes. If I were interested in possibly getting new boxes I would find out what carrier is supplying the banks. If they are all using the same carrier then they would be drawing from the same lot. If Carrier A is supplying circulated cents then find a bank that is using Carrier B. I know of one bank around here that always gets new boxes. I just have not been there yet. Still Lookin
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 Posted 05/21/2017  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see signs of cleaning. I also believe NGC would have noted it.
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 Posted 05/21/2017  05:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmsexauer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was referring to the one listed for sale in the link in my last reply :)
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Yes, the 1858 looks to me to have been cleaned. Not scoured, but lightly cleaned. It shows it best on the reverse. It looks to me like someone used a solution and rag or fingers. The grime/dark areas in the recesses were inaccessible. It's not unusual to find one this old that has been cleaned at least once or twice.
So What do you want an 1858, or a planchet error? They don't really go well with each other. The planchet error detracts from the 1858, but not vice versa.
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 Posted 05/21/2017  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmsexauer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just trying to learn.. I own the 57 and love it.. just shopping around for new ones to add to my collection
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 Posted 05/21/2017  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Me too, always more to learn. I too like the vintage, varieties, errors, and the rare. Something about coins. It's a good thing they're small.
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 Posted 05/21/2017  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmsexauer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I started out loving silver.. I was all about it.. for about 2 years I filled totes full of silver.. mostly modern proofs.. then my taste began to change .. I was realizing you can buy silver modern proofs all the live long day.. and they are making new ones all the time.. booooring... I then turned my attention to finding the oldest coins I could afford in the best condition.. much more difficult to obtain ... much more historical feel to them.. very nice looking and exciting.. I still collect modern coins but I try to find the highest mint state grades in business strike instead of proofs..
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 Posted 05/22/2017  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, with knowledge our tastes and thinking change, and the coins should remain the same.

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