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Three Great Finds In A Box Of Halves., 1972-D No FG, 1973-D No FG And A 1969-D

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Thought I would share my finds tonight. Went through a box of halves and within the first 10 rolls, I found a 1972-D no FG, then a 1969-D and with three rolls left, I found a 1973-D no FG. Stoked about that find. I've attached pictures and welcome comments.

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Congratulations on your find! They are definitely worth more than others.

Now that said, this missing FG always puzzles me. Is it from die polishing, grease filled, an error, or variety?

Until I understand fully about no FG, I think will stay away, since price differences are substantial.

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Thanks Coco. As far as No FG, this is what I found online:

When properly-made coinage dies first are put into use, they can impress coins with crisp and full detail. During the minting process, dies crack, clash into each other and fatigue as a result of heat and stress. Sometimes, dies are taken out of service and relapped, or polished anew, to extend their useful life.

As a consequence of all these factors, "late state" dies produce coins that have only shallow or even mushy, indistinct detail. Once in a while, they produce a collectible variety. That's exactly the case with the popular and controversial Kennedy, No FG half dollars.

Like all current U.S. coins, the Kennedy half dollar includes the initials of its designer. FG appears on the coin's reverse, in the small field area between the eagle's tail and left leg. They are the initials of Frank Gasparro, who designed this coin while serving as assistant engraver at the U.S. Mint. He later became chief engraver in 1965.

The initials are small and in low relief. When the reverse die is polished excessively, this subtle detail is inadvertently erased.

This has happened at least three times, yielding three collectible Kennedy, No FG half dollars. The first time was in 1966 during production of the Special Mint set (SMS) Kennedy half dollar.

The SMS 1966 Kennedy, No FG half dollar features an extremely overpolished reverse. Not only are the initials absent, but much of the central detail of the eagle's left wing is also missing.

In 2008, a certified Mint State 66 example cost as little as $50. Today, a similarly graded coin trades for more than $500 due to registry set collecting and widening general interest. Over-polishing again occurred in 1972, this time at the Denver Mint. The 1972-D Kennedy, No FG half dollar exhibits coarse polish lines throughout the field area, obliterating detail in the area of the initials. This variety is scarce and only a handful have been graded by the major services.

Last, in 1982, at the Philadelphia Mint, the same events occurred. While overpolished, the 1982-P Kennedy, No FG half dollar is better made than its 1972 counterpart and also immensely more common. It is still a very popular adjunct for collectors building a Kennedy half dollar set. But these varieties are all controversial. Dies are meant to wear during use, and some loss of detail is tolerated by the Mint. Thus, many Kennedy half dollars show weak or partial FG initials.

Only these three varieties have caught on and are sought-after today. But other No FG dates have been reported, including 1983-P and 1988-P coins. To qualify as a true and collectible No FG Kennedy half dollar, a coin must be struck from dies with no trace of the designer's initials whatsoever.
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A possible marker to use for the 72D no FG is the die clash showing between HALF and DOLLAR...yours appears to have it.
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Got one of my 1972-D no FG back from grading at ICG. Graded a AU-53. ICG doesn't place value but PCGS has an AU53 valued at $350. Any thoughts on how comparable ICG might be with PCGS? I've read ICG is conservative on their evaluation of coins.
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Over the years I have read online that people say a no FG can be found for almost any date - these I believe to be from polishing issues. I have also seen quite a few slabbed and raw coins that show traces and/or blobs where the letters are. I personally don't qualify these ghosted FGs as being actual no FG examples. I have let quite a few go back into circulation.

The 1982 No FG has two distinct die varieties. So far, from what I have seen/read, all of the no FGs without serifs on the base of the 1 in the date seem not to have a trace of the FG. Some of the serif-base 1s can have ghosted letters.

I would appreciate anyone correcting me on this.

I do have examples of both types of 1982, 1872-D, and 1983 JFKs with no trace of the FG. I do not have the 1966 version, but tend to think, from reading and seeing them online, this may have been a die error.

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I also will say that its not hard to find not only raw coins, but also slabbed examples listed on ebay as having no FG, but it is plain in some pics that they are ghosted FGs.

Sometimes even in hand, the ghosted letters (or blobs where the letters should be) only become evident when viewing the coin under different lighting or at an angle. I have also noticed pieces under a miThe 73-croscope that seem to have no trace of the letters, when looked at with the naked eye, show the ghosted letters.

The 1973-D and 1977-D are also known to have a no F variety - likely a polishing issue. Although I don't know how they missed polishing off the G also. I have found them, but admittedly went through a ghosted Fs before I kept one.
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Interesting and thanks for the information Earle. I've been going through a box a week, specifically looking for the no FG's. If I find one, I'll put it under a scope to make sure there's no trace of FG. If I find none, I'm sending mine off for grading as they clearly are worth quite a bit if graded as no FG. I'm guessing a grading service will not grade it no FG if there is a trace. IMO
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Be careful sending them off without getting a good idea of the grade first. You could post some good pics and ask for help with an opinion on the grade in this forum. Otherwise you could end up paying more to have them slabbed than what they are worth.

Unless they come back from the company slabbing them as a high MS grade, they won't be worth some of the high prices you see on ebay. It is generally said on this forum that high grade MS coins normally cannot be found from roll hunting b/c the coins just being in contact with the others in coin rolling machines etc. will put enough small marks on them to make the coins not get a high MS grade.

One more thing, unless you like slabs, and are going to keep them for your own collection, save your money... there is no reason to slab them. Some people pay more for a slabbed coin b/c they fall prey to the idea of buying the plastic instead of the coin. As is said many times on this forum, buy the coin, not the slab. But sellers know some people will pay more, and sop get good coins slabbed before selling.

Slabbing companies like to make people think slabbing is an essential part of the hobby, but the reality is that there is no NEED to slab something.
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