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1991 Grease And Possible DD ?

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Searching pocket change and found this 1991, on god we trust missing, doubling of lower nose, lips. Chin,throat, tie and iberty. Any guidence is much appreciated. I think this may be highly unusual with the grease and doubling on same coin.



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I got your coins brother! Yea, that die is just about all polished off and filled with the diamond polish.
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We'd need closer pics to tell if it's doubled or not.
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Close-ups please!



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Those are actually polish lines along the face, pointed nose varierty!


Here's it's brother and cousin


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On your full coin shot, can see the original outline of face before it disappeared...

Were we in some kind of financial crisis in '91 where we had to use the **** out of the dies to save money?
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Crazyb0 what do you mean by polished lines along the nose? There is doubling under the nose, chin, and liberty. Also a raised area all around the nose, forehead and all along the hair line to include the grease.
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It's a definite " Greaser" and I think the doubling is Machine Doubling (MD), not a doubled die.
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Before throwing Grease Filled Die out there, I'd like to confirm the reverse struck normal as well as the coins weight.

The lines I'm seeing seem to be from the stock being rolled out prior to punching the blanks. aka roller marks. A lessor (weak) strike can show this as well.

The rim also suggest an odd strike with movement. Thanks, Doug.
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The lines I'm seeing seem to be from the stock being rolled out prior to punching the blanks. aka roller marks.


Can you have "roller lines" on copper-plated cents? I assumed the lines were plating bubbles.

But, as Halo1st brought up, a reverse pic would be nice (and should be standard practice whether it's in question or not).
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The reverse seems to have struck up a bit stronger. Showing the same lines running the same direction as they do on the obverse.

As for the severe obverse weakness Struck Through Grease fill die seems most likely.

Weak strikes have been a debated cause in the past as well. A couple of topics had the experts going head to head concerning weakness in conjunction with full rims and roller marks present. That's where the reverse condition comes into play.

Not meaning to add more confusion, but if the full obverse and reverse images are not skewed, the coin seems to be out of round. May have some possible wide collar issue? Thanks, Doug.

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Thanks Doug, do you see any value w ith the coin since it is double struck and a Greaser?
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do you see any value with the coin since it is double struck and a Greaser?


First its not double struck, and its not a known doubled die. I'm thinking the machine had movement during the strike. So that make for machine damage. This is common.

Second I don't buy or sell. So will not be much help with the value. Check ebay sells. Heavy greasers do seem to be collectable to some. So may net a small premium pending interest at the time. You may score enough to order one or two things from the dollar menu.

That said I would hold onto. May be able sell or trade down the road.

Do you have a caliper that could measure the diameter. Or if you laid another cent on it, does it seem larger where the fins are present on the two sides? Just curious. Thanks, Doug.
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Thanks Doug for the feedback. I will measure and get the weight for you. Another question, I know the pictures are not the clearest but there is pronounced doubling under ther nose and chin where the remaining is relatively clear of doubling other than the liberty. I'm trying to process all this but don't quite understand how machine movement would only double at concise locations rather than all features?

Thanks for your time,

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