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Raw 1824 Bust Half Dollar Part Deux

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I picked this up for $90 including shipping. Thoughts on grade and problems? Seller's pictures weren't great. I enlarged them, but didn't try to correct for overexposure. Hopefully it looks like the pictures when it arrives. Thanks!

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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05/26/2017 8:30 pm
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I see AU details, cleaned.
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Thanks Type. Which markers indicate to you that it may be cleaned? Trying to learn.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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EF40 to 45.
Obvious weak strike 11 o'clock, shield lines nice (rev.).
Price OK.
Check accurately for weight.
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From those pictures, I would be at EF-45 with no call on surface originality. With how over-exposed those pictures are, I would not at all be surprised if it turns out that this coin has been cleaned.
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Thanks Type. Which markers indicate to you that it may be cleaned? Trying to learn.


The whitish color for one. A coin this old and in this grade should not be white.

Also, the way the light is reflecting off of the fields suggest the surfaces have been adultered. The picture resolution is too poor to tell, but I think I see hairlines to the right of the bust and to the left of the eagle.
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Thanks guys
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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EF-45, pics too washed out to make a call on the surfaces.
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This one arrived today. Any thoughts on grade and problems based on revised pics? Thanks!

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Raw-1824-Bust-Half-Dollar-Part-Deux
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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The 1824 has a cleaned and AT look to it. I think I'm seeing abrasive cleaning marks coming through the "toning".
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EF-45, likely old cleaning in left obverse field.
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A little darker than I was expecting, but the texture is what I was expecting.

EF details. Harshly cleaned. It looks like someone took steel wool to it.
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EF-40 details, harshly cleaned
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