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Why Is Platinum Worth Less Than Gold?

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 Posted 06/01/2017  7:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Donnie Darko to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It's ten times rarer, so why is it only going for $940 an ounce while gold is going for $1260? Is it less useful, or just not as coveted?
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More than not is it looks to much like silver or white gold.If you have an item you have to tell everybody what it is every time you show it to somebody.
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Gold is and always has been a monetary trading item. It also has high industrial uses, is a super conductor for electronics. Bet you don't know what Palladium is used for?
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 Posted 06/01/2017  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember when platinum spot was always about 10% higher than gold. I think those days will return.
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Price is dependent on both supply and demand. For a variety of reasons, the demand for platinum is low enough relative to the supply that the price is lower than gold.
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Pt has lots of industrial uses especially in catalytic applications. Because it is so expensive, there is always much pressure to find or make cheaper substitutes that will do much the same job. There ARE now cheaper substitutes for Pt, when it comes to car exhaust applications.
Perhaps some of those some of those efforts have been rewarded for other applications as well, and the demand for Pt has been lessened.
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Bet you don't know what Palladium is used for?


Do you know what Adamantium is used for?
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I know what Tritanium is... It's the stuff Star Trek is made out of
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Going back to the topic, platinum price fluctuates from supply and demand.

I remember platinum was hottest thing in jewelry 10 years ago, replacing white gold, favored by younger generation. Tougher and more expensive. Now the fad seems somewhat subsided.

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I wouldn't say that platinum is tougher than white gold. Platinum is pretty soft and gummy. White gold is stiff but brittle. Platinum is much denser than gold; the difference is obvious to a blind man. Palladium almost became a hot item in jewellery, but the difficulty in working the metal has eluded many artists.

Platinum on the whole takes more effort and costlier materials to bring it to the shape and polish needed, so the only thing I can think of is that the demand is just very low. In my own shop, I work with gold every single day, whereas platinum jobs only come in once every 3-4 months.

Rarity means nothing without a market to back it up. Look at Newfoundland coin mintages in relation to Canadian coins, and then see how easy it is to call them "sleeper" coins. Yet the lack of interest keeps them relatively cheap because there aren't that many Newfoundland coin collectors.
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Within the 4,500 numismatic coins in my collection, I have only one platinum coin. I reasoned that I should have at least one platinum coin in my collection.
Unfortunately, it is not a numismatic item, such as a Russian 3, 6 or 12 Roubles. They were the only ?circulating? Pt coins ever made.

I had to be satisfied with an NCLT 1991 one ounce Pt Koala.
Bought it for AUD $500 (U.S. $380), about 2 decades ago.
That's OK; I love those furry critters anyway!

Pt / Au price ratios have not bothered me very much.
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Platinum derives from "Plat" - Silver and "inum" - which doesn't melt.

The very high melting point and hardness makes it tricky yo work with.

The spike before when it overtook gold was with the introduction of catalytic convertors which use platinum. Our roads are now covered in the stuff to the extent it might be worth recovering it.

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Though I am certainly in the minority, I'm stacking platinum while it's cheaper than gold. Yes, supply/demand will determine it's market price, but it's still platinum! I'd be happy to see it drop further so I can buy more.
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I think most people have it backwards. I've been doing this since 65. You are right, historically Platinum is more expensive than Gold.

The difference is that platinum is not seen as an INVESTMENT metal.

Nine years ago the world went stupid crazy melting anything that had a hint of gold or silver in it. My shop had a courier from the refiner that came up twice a week to pick up metal to be melted.

People were trained to think that the "real" price of silver and gold were many multiples of what they had been just two years before. A lot of people became very very wealthy in this time frame. Even ordinary folks found themselves richer by thousands of dollars; in many cases.

Coincidnental with this were the rise of the "Invest in Gold/Silver" Companies.

Together they drove the price of Silver and gold far above where it actually should be.

When the price fell, the smart money got out and collected their profits. A great many people felt like they missed the boat and they want, very badly, to be "here" when it goes up again. They entered the market in great numbers and those same people are responsible for the continued increase in price over where true demand is. It is a fact, if you dig, that there is a large surplus of both Gold and, especially, Silver; right now. I'm an Engineer, and I can tell you that materials suppliers that I deal with are scratching their heads over the prices of Gold, Silver, and Platinum. There are currently wherehoused at least a seven year supply of Silver.

The smart money saw that the small investors were hanging in there and now quietly manipulate the market to make a cozy profit. Why do you think the price, ON A REGULAR BASIS, drops down a dollar or more an once in silver ( for instance) and then goes back up to the same level only to drop again? The big boys KNOW when to sell short and when to go long. It is steady income, and will remain so until enough small investors get out of the market.

At which point Silver and Gold will find their true market value via supply and demand.
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does this mean that unless you have
a substantial amount to invest into
precious metal you have no business
getting involved?
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