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1844 Bank Of Montreal Half. Grade?

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Thx in advance


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XF cleaned
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At least EF.
Okie, would this be a 'tall' trees one.
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I think short trees. They aren't the tall trees and, I think, that the medium windows on the left side don't line up, while the short ones do. I'm really not a token person (though I have a lot) .. I just looked in the book.
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EF straight, very nice.
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This is of the heavy tree variety.

A diagnostic characteristic of this variety is having a short upward diagonal line emerging from the left corner of the left ground.
(This line parallels the serif of the right leg of the N in BANK.) This line is not found on the short or tall tree varieties.

I will endeavor to ascertain the specific Courteau variety when I have more time.

VF 30 perhaps, on a good day XF 40.

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Doug,

I thought that all the medium (heavy) trees had windows on the left that don't line up in a horizontal line
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This data is referenced in Charlton's 9th edition, page 192.
Dr. Courteau further identifies some 17 different varieties of the heavy tree varieties,
some of which differ in one aspect or another.

More to follow.

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Short trees...tall trees.. heavy trees.... 17 different varieties..


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The former posting of 17 different varieties was only referencing the heavy trees. To wit:

Courteau varieties 40-45 concern tall tree varieties (total of 6).
Courteau varieties 46-63 concern heavy tree varieties (total of 17).
Courteau varieties 64-70 concern small tree varieties (total of 7).

A combined total of 30.

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Concerning the subject of this thread...

Of the 17 heavy tree varieties, only Dr. Courteau varieties 46 and 47 are dated 1842, thus can readily be eliminated from consideration.

Concerning this grouping, Dr. Courteau is concerned with the letter M in MONTREAL. He calls this either 'open' or 'closed.' "In the open M
variety, the angle formed by the central part of the letter comes down online with both feet, but points towards the left one; whereas in the
closed M variety, the angle does not come so low and points towards the right foot."

Of this grouping, the open M are found on varieties 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 54, 55, 56, 58, 59, 60.
Of this grouping, the closed M are found on varieties 46, 53, 57, 63.
Varieties 61 and 62 have a different font for the letter F which he calls "old style.'
We find the token in question to be of the open M grouping ergo, 48, 49. 50, 51, 52, 54, 55, 56, 58, 59, 60.

Dr. Courteau also indicates whether the nose of the beaver is long or short. The short is more cat-like,
whereas the long nose has a rat-like snout.
The short nose is found on varieties 46, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63.
The long nose is found on varieties 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53.
We find the token in question to be of the short nose variety, ergo 54, 55, 56, 47, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63.
Eliminating the "closed M" grouping, we narrow the search to varieties 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60.

Among other things, Dr. Courteau is concerned with the leaf-less stems of the shamrock and the points of the right ribbon.
Variety 54: "Shamrock upper left leafless stem is short, the lower right one curves downward; points of right ribbon are short."
Variety 55: "Long points at right ribbon with its left bent abruptly."
Variety 56: The same as 55.
Variety 57: The same as 55.
Variety 58: "points of right ribbon are short."
Variety 59: Stem on thistle stem, Defect at top of numeral 1."
Variety 60: "points of the right ribbon are short."
We can eliminate varieties 55, 56, 57 (Ling right ribbon) and 59 (no defect to numeral 1).
Ergo: 54, 58, 60, and of these only variety 54 has the right leafless stem curving downward.

Thus Courteau variety 54 having a rarity factor of 2.

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Rarity factor 2 being common . Yes ?
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Courteau rarities are from 1-10, with 1 being common as mud.

But some specific varieties within the grouping can be considerably rare. Unfortunately, collectors adroit with the knowledge of the specific diagnostics prove even rarer.

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Well then I,ve got some reading to do . Thank you for the information.
My interest has definitely increased .
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