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Not sure of the others, but the last one (#13) looks like a Saxony Hornsgroschen dated 1465.
Quite an uncommon coin, and in excellent condition too! Where did you even find those?
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1. Handheller, Hall in Schwaben. Nice strike, normally the text on the obverse is not readable.
2. Hohlpfennig, Freiberg (Meißen), 14th century. The shield is that of Landsberg.
3. Can't entirely make out the design.
4. Schildgroschen, Meißen in Saxonia, Friedrich II (or together with Wilhelm II) minted in Freiberg. Quite a common, yet beautiful coinage. Many varieties exist, I am not familiar with them.
5. Also Markgrafschaft Meißen, under Willhem II I believe. Also minted in Freiberg. This type, with a shield with swords on top, is sometimes called a "Schwertgroschen"
6. I've seen this wheel attributed to Fritzlar. Mainz could also be an option though.
7. The two half eagles from Nordhaus, quite a well-known counter stamp on these Schildgroschen.
8. Groschen, Pfalz, Friedrich I (1449-76), minted in Bacherach (that is one awesome name).
12. Post 1423 Schilling from Luneburg. Note the Mintmark, crescent moon with star.
13. I completely agree, Horngroschen. Nice one!
I'll give 9, 10 and 11 a go after I have had breakfast ;)
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06/16/2017 06:11 am
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Mika! Wow. And you hadn't even had your breakfast yet.  |
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Where did you find such an exceptional group? Some real winners in that batch.
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Really interesting group of coins. Too many to post all at once though. Not my area but I see that AnYanMan has IDed for you. I sure that Spence will be along also to add some more information.
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Thanks guys! And thank you for the info, especially AnYanghMan, I can barely even think before breakfast :) You guys are really doing me a favor as I am way out of my area of expertise on these.
For those asking where I got it, It was a lot of about 30 coins I saw being auctioned. Looked really nice, so I bid on impulse and won. There are duplicates that I did not post (sorry that I still posted so many echezinto), including five more of #4 and eight more of #13, but most of those are not as nice condition. I posted the ones that have the clearest details and legends.
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Thanks Bob, what I'm learning from researching the identifications is priceless. I think I just expanded my collecting habits back a couple hundred years :)
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@numismat, that is a wonderful starter set. I'm really happy that you are getting more into medieval coins. I'll work on identifying the ones that AYM skipped over. The two coins that are #10 are from the German City State of Goslar. They look to me like half-mattiasgroshen coins. You can read a partial inscription on the rev: MONETA NOVA GOSLAR. The attribution is Saurma #3962 and I'd say they date from the 15th Century. Here is the link: http://herbison.com/someoldcoins.or...r/2/3962.htm"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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That's an excellent lot of Medieval German silver. Most impressive win! Congratulations.
The #13 Horngroschen is a Freiberg mint (Kreuzmark) issue
Both Hohlpfennige appear to be Sachsen-Meißen (the second having the curved line through the horizontal bars above a crown)
#9 is a pain. I was thinking Hessen-Kassel or Köln, perhaps Anton von Schaumburg, although the arms are not those of Köln (these large arms have quarterly two Palatinate Lions rampant, a star above a field of diamonds, and two stars above a field of diamonds.) The overall design is very much Rhineland / Palatinate.
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Thanks so much Spence, it would appear that #10 is then two different coins. The one on the left matches the coin in your link, with the obverse legends "MONETA NOVA GOS". The one on the right looks like it has the legend "SANCTUS MATHIAS". Using the info you so kindly gave me, I found one on ebay matching it, described also as a matthiasgroschen. Would it be weird for a half and whole matthiasgroschen to be the same size, or am I missing something? And thank you Paralyze, you've steered me in a direction I can research :) Edited by Numismat
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Would it be weird for a half and whole matthiasgroschen to be the same size, or am I missing something? There are instances of different denomination medieval coins from the same issuer being the same diameter, but having a design element that indicated the denomination. I don't think that this is it. Rather, the saurma catalog is not exclusive and so the same design might have been used on the half-matthiasgroschen as well as the full matthiasgroschen. I'm not sure, but comparing diameters between your coins and the image in Saurma might help. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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In trying to research coin #9, I came across a description in a 19th century book that appears to match the legends. I can't make too much sense of it other than that it is listed under Cassel. No luck finding an image though. Appears to match number 183 in legends, not sure of the description of the design.  |
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OK I was able to find pics to confirm #9, albus or petersgroschen from Hesse Kassel 1483-1493. That leaves only #11. I did not think I would get this far, you guys are awesome :)
Edit: I guess it would be 1/2 albus or 1/2 petersgroschen. Both of the ones I have weigh 1.3 grams
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