Possible 1988 D/P Reverse 1989 D/P Aka RDV - 006.......

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artstaz Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 06/22/2017 01:33 am So....I was looking through my pennies today like I almost always do and I found something that struck my eye. I have 14 pictures, and they are mainly in pairs of twos, except for a 1988 D, that has a set of 4 pics. Anyways, I will try my best to guide you in my find with each set. Please bare with me, I am learning the whole terminology and how to word it correctly. (EXHIBIT A) We have a reverse 1989 penny that was apparently hand stamped. This is no surprise, apparently they started stamping these this way, because of wear on the initial stamp. (EXHIBIT B) "1989 D" Another 1989 D with the original initial stamping. Although, if you look closely, it looks like a "1988 reverse".....maybe? Compare this to (Exhibit C and F)and let me know your thoughts. (EXHIBIT C) "1988 D" (EXHIBIT F) "1988" (EXHIBIT D) "1989" Now, I have a 1989 Philly that looks to have a solid 1989 reverse look to it. This is what took me by surprise as I was reviewing these coins. (Exhibit A) was hand carved "if you will" without the "vertical bar" that drops down before the curve. Exhibit B also has this as well, but with a true initial stamp in place. Again, let me know your thoughts? (EXHIBIT E) "1988 D" This last exhibit is a 1988 D. If you notice it also has a "vertical bar that drops down below the curve." If this holds true, I will have my first 1988 D reverse 1989 coin. Please share your thoughts and thank you! Edited by artstaz 06/22/2017 01:35 am Report this Post to the Staff

John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 06/22/2017 05:14 am http://doubleddie.com/58348.html Report this Post to the Staff
artstaz Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 06/22/2017 11:51 am Thank you John for this information. I think I presented it wrong. So I will try it again.... I was thinking more of a 1988 coin initials struck on a 1989 reverse. And, a 1989 coin initials struck on a 1988 reverse. "Lets forget the above confusion that I have posted and start new." Examples 1A: Has 4 pictures(From left to right). - A 1988 D coin initials LMRD-005 (standard looks to me) - A 1988 coin initials LMRD-005 OR LMRD-006 (looks more like the 006 because of the distinctive curve). - A 1989 coin initials LMRD-005 (this one was hand stamped "not your typical stamp." Notice, this one is "without" the vertical serif bar. - A 1989 D coin initials LMRD-005 or LMRD-006 (looks more like a LMRD-006 "without" the vertical serif bar. Example 2B: Has two pictures from (Left to right). - A 1989 D LMRD-005 or LMRD-006 (Not much has changed since they revised the initials in 1989-2004) - A 1988 D LMRD-005 or LMRD-006 (this looks like a 1989 LMRD-005/006 to me. It shows the vertical serif bar intact) Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 06/22/2017 12:28 pm Coop is the man for you. As far as I know, there are no 1989 P or D with a 1988 reverse known. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
artstaz Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 06/22/2017 2:50 pm Thank you again John . How do I get ahold of this Coop person? Can I invite him or should I wait until he shows up? If this one stands, we will have a new variety.....I think! Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 06/22/2017 4:36 pm Coop will chime in when he is up to it. He has been going through some hard time as of late. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
snowman24 Valued Member United States 186 Posts	Posted 06/22/2017 5:23 pm don't want to rain on the parade but Dr James Wiles has debunked all 1989's from having transition dies about 10 yrs ago. he originally did give a thumbs up on the 89's but has debunked all of the 89s from what I remember back in 2007/2008 soon after I sent him the first 1988-RDV-006. I guess he got flooded with 89's having worn dies and such like yours Art, soon after the Coin World article came out... I convinced him to take a look at the 88 I had and he agreed on the findings... It was published in Coin World soon after that. any questions feel free to ask...Snowman Report this Post to the Staff
artstaz Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 06/23/2017 12:36 am Thanks again John! Snowman, I've been reading up on Dr. James Wiles and found articles on the transitions of these dates. Although, I have not found anything saying he "debunked" them, or any information to my liking. If you have any articles relating to these findings, please share them? Or maybe you could at least guide me to it? Thank you Snowman. Report this Post to the Staff
snowman24 Valued Member United States 186 Posts	Posted 06/23/2017 11:05 am I don't see that information any more on the Variety Vista web site anymore on 1989's Lincolns. Dr James Wiles must of taken it down. But I bet if you email him on the 1989's most likely will come back reason to abrasion dies. Snowman Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/23/2017 12:37 pm I've hear no mention of a transition change on the 1989 reverse die coins. On the 1988 coins with the RDV-006, they are usually fresh reverses. The RDV-005 dies were used until the dies were retired. Thus if you have a question on a 1988 and die is not fresh, then it is usually a RDV-005. Report this Post to the Staff
onecent1909 New Member United States 26 Posts	Posted 06/30/2017 6:40 pm So to ID the RDV-005 or RDV-006 dies you should look at the G in FG, but not the vertical bar only the top of the G goes to the end of that vertical bar for a RDV-005 and the top of the G stops short of the end of the vertical bar for a RDV-006 a RDV-006 can have the horizontal bar or the bottom of the vertical bar polished or dinged and look like a RDV-005 but if the top of the G stops short of the end then it is a RDV-006 . ARTSTAZ look at the posting where you put all 4 reverse pics in a line. your 1988 coins all have the top of the G going to the end of the vertical bar thus they are RDV-005 your 1989 coins all have the top of the G stopping before the end of the vertical bars so they are all RDV-006 dies This week I talked with Dr. Wiles at the ANA summer seminar. We talked about this diagnostic being a good pick up point for a possible "1989 reverse of 1988" coin. so far all 1989 rev 1988 that he has seen have had that top stop short of the vertical bar and have been worn, dinged, or polished RDV-006 die coins. Coop has some excellent pics that show this, look for them then find you a nice example of a 1987 cent and a nice example of a 1990 cent. label them RDV-005 and RDV-006 and have a pair of coins that you can compare a 1988 and 1989 cent to. Good Luck John Edited by onecent1909 06/30/2017 6:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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