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I'd grade this a solid EF-40.
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I'll agree with EF; it's a minimum of high VF--I don't have the resources to attribute, but are those die lines below liberty's head/hair and might they be indicative of anything?
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I have to admit I didn't notice those lines until you pointed them out. They are only visible if you tilt the coin just right. They don't extend into the hair & appear to be die lines of some sort. After carefully examining the coin there are also a few more die lines in front of the neck.
I bought this coin as an 1851/81, N-3. The seller only deals in Early American Copper, & offers a lifetime guarantee on attribution & authenticity. I have bought coins in the past from this seller, they have always exceeded my expectations. This coin is intended for my 7070, & I bought the variety because it was only a few dollars more than a comparably graded coin of the same date.
Unfortunately, I don't have an attribution guide & can't find a good picture of this variety online so I don't know the markers. If you look at the 1 there's a line protruding from the right side that looks like the serif of an upside down one. It also looks like the base of an upside down 1 above the 1. There's what appears to be a ghost of an 8 under the 5. My eyes aren't what they used to be & my loupe isn't helping that much. Maybe I need to look into getting a QX5 or something.
I'm very happy with the coin. I was just hoping someone here could confirm the attribution, & possibly educate me on the markers.
Edited by trdhrdr007
04/24/2008 09:12 am
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I think it just misses EF-40 due to the level of wear at the tip of Liberty's coronet and on the hair at the top of the head. Stars are weak as usual but the denticles are sharp. The reverse is probably EF-40 but the obverse always dominates for grading. Considering that most circulated large cents have various problems, most buyers would be happy to get this coin at an EF-40 price. I'll be conservative and say VF-35, but choice for the grade.
I don't know about attribution, but there is an 1851/81 overdate version of this coin which carries a decent premium. The photos on Heritage show this variety as having a small raised horizontal line peeking out from the right side of the final 1 in the date. It's not real obvious even on MS examples. It looks like your coin might have that line, in which case it could be the overdate variety. What do you see under magnification?
Oops, sorry Trdhrdr, I didn't scroll down far enough to see your follow-up post. Sure, it looks like the seller properly identified the overdate variety, although I don't know whether all examples would have the same N-3 attribution. It sounds like your seller is confident of his attributions and until proven otherwise I would assume he knows his stuff.
If you sign up for a free membership on Heritage you get access to their auction archives. You can then inspect at least 37 examples of 1851/81 cents that they have listed from previous auctions. It's a really useful resource!
Edited by Jaobler
04/24/2008 2:36 pm
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Nice EF coin. Congratulations. I, unfortunately, cannot help with attribution.
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Haven't posted for awhile, but I've lurked quite a bit. Anyway, EF45-AU50?
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Haven't posted for awhile, but I've lurked quite a bit. Anyway, EF45-AU50?
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I would buy it as a high EF. Since the dealer seems to have a very good background, could you say what he graded it as later in the thread?
Thanks, Jim
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The seller of this coin, & an 1818 I posted recently, assigns EAC grades. These tend to be lower than market grades. On both of these coins I agree with the grades of the other forum members. Here's the sellers grades:
1851....VF25
1818....F15
On a side note, the prices of his coins are higher than you would expect based on the assigned grade. For example, the 1818 was graded F15, but was priced at what you would expect for a choice VF.
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Very new to grading but if I was buying I would pay EF for the coin.
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Posted 04/24/2008 07:56 am
