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Help To Identify My First Ancient Romans!

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 Posted 06/24/2017  11:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Spartcom5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey everyone! So the other day I bought my first two Roman coins for $10 a piece. The larger one is 83% silver and weighs 14 grams. The smaller one is bronze and has amazing detail. Would it be worth it to have it graded because of the detail or no? I'd love to have a graded ancient coin in my collection. I also need help identifying these.... I know the silver one is Nero and the small one has Romulus and Remus and maybe Constantine I. That's all I know! Any help is appreciated thanks!
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 Posted 06/24/2017  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on the Roman pick-up's. I believe the Constantine commemorative is from the Lugdunum/Lyon mint, similar to: https://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=111014

The Nero tet is from Antioch, like: https://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=188297
(Except your eagle is wearing bell bottoms )
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 Posted 06/25/2017  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@spartcom5, thanks for posting these and glad to hear that you are moving toward ancients. I wonder if you could also provide a pic of the edge of the Nero tet?
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 Posted 06/25/2017  04:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice buy. May I ask where you got them at that great price?
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Based on the condition of the VRBS ROMA alone you got these coins for a fantastic price.
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 Posted 06/25/2017  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spartcom5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an image of the edge of the Nero. Also, how should I go about storing these? I have them is a safeflip right now but was wondering if there are better options to protect them for years? Also, is there anything I should do to remove the green like corrosion of the Nero or leave alone? Also, would the commemorative be worth to have graded or not? Thanks for any info! Look forward to buying more, they have a bin of ancients at $10 a piece.
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I personally wouldn't send the follis off for grading/slabbing. But since, as you say, you'd "love to have a graded ancient coin in (your) collection" then perhaps that should be the determining factor. I like your enthusiasm!

The edge of the Nero is clearly filed. This is generally not a good sign since filing is sometimes done to hide casting seams on modern forgeries. However it is also sometimes done to round out flans on legit coins, for jewelry mounts. The surfaces of the coin look genuinely worn, with no obvious signs of casting, imo. However, I suspect that Spence's concern was the apparent line along the edge here:
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Can you show us a pic of the edge at this location? Is the line just a trick of light/reflection, or does it appear to be a seam? (Hopefully the former)

Regarding the green deposits: Personally, I would leave the verdigris alone, but there are probably a lot of ancients collectors who would gently pick at it to see if some of it will dislodge.
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 Posted 06/25/2017  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spartcom5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got some good pictures here for you. I'd be shocked if it were fake. The place I go to is very reputable and would never knowingly sell a modern fake... Not sure if it matters but I did have it electronically tested and it is 83%ish silver.
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Thanks for the additional pics. I agree it's likely genuine, but at some point in its past the edge was reshaped by filing - perhaps for a jewelry mounting. If correct, there was no attempt to camouflage the file marks since they would have been covered up by the setting the coin sat in for some of its history. Gotta expect some warts when you can snag a Provincial tet for less than ten bucks.
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 Posted 06/27/2017  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok yep glad to see that there is no edge seam. As Bob mention, filing marks can be a bad sign, but I think that you are ok with this one. Nice pick-up!
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