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You Vs. ICG - 1827 Capped Bust Half Dollar

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This one arrived today. I had sold my 1832 for $100 more than what I got this one for, and I believe this one has much more character. The strike is better, the surfaces are original, and it is an R4- variety (O-109). The luster is about the same on both coins, though the thick patina on the 1827 really subdues it. However, I would never dip off the original skin this coin has.

So, what say you?

The first two pictures are the most accurate to in-hand appearance. The secong two do not have the glare.

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Very nice! I know nothing about these, but it looks like there's a little wear, au 58?
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If not for the obverse thumbprints this piece could go MS64. It's still an attractive piece I'd put at MS62 easily and probably 63 if the luster's there.
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It's a beauty.
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i agree...MS62
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AU 55 love it.
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Beautiful! I'd say AU-58.
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AU-55.
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Certainly not uncirculated, it's easy to see some rub in the curls. I say AU-55
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Rub on curls and eagle's brow, but none visible on Liberty's cheek. Decent eye appeal, AU58.
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Often times Mint State Capped Bust Halves don't have complete metal flow into the high points of the die. Several different reasons this could occur including thin planchets, low strike pressure, die set too far apart, etc.

Here's a PCGS MS63 piece with incomplete die fill on the obverse high points. The OP's coin could very well be AU+ but if there's luster across those flat spots it's MS.

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And the answer:

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And I found this coin in a previous sale. I will probably crack it out and put it in my type set. Original or not, she's very pretty.

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Quote:
Here's a PCGS MS63 piece with incomplete die fill on the obverse high points. The OP's coin could very well be AU+ but if there's luster across those flat spots it's MS.


MS grades for bust halves are fairly meaningless. Most have some wear. Sure, a lot of halves will have weak spots on the high points, but there should not be a color change on the high points (an indication of luster wearing away). You can see this effect on the eagle's left (our right) talons. They are weakly struck, but there is a color change indicating wear. The "MS" half you posted has a color change.
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