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Valued Member
Australia
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yeah, these guys are pretty common.
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Valued Member
 Australia
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Coins look quite genuine to me but the C of A doesn't mean much. A recognized slab would have more standing, or an assessment by a leading auction house, such as Heritage.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like it has glue on the back. You might want to take it out of the holder and soak in acetone to remove the glue residue.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Anyone with a printer and a computer can create a COA. A COA is only worth the company that issued it.
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Moderator
 Australia
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The certificate claims this coin comes from the Palmer River goldfields in north Queensland, just inland from Cooktown; it was presumably sold in a tourist trap in Cooktown or Cairns, since there's no tourist shop at the actual goldfields. I have seen these particular certificates sold by coin dealers before.
As for the coin itself: despite its age, it is quite common, and almost certainly genuine, although whether it actually was found on the goldfields site or not is impossible to prove; one would tend to assume that a local historical society wouldn't lie about such things. But you can purchase coins just like it, fully identified but without the certificate, for less than $10.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Moderator
 United States
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I see nothing about the coin that makes me think it is fake, although the pictures are not big enough to let me look too closely. If it is a cast cash of the Northern Song Dynasty, then I agree that some of these are readily available. However, I do question why a Chinese miner pressed into service no earlier than 1872 (when gold was discovered in the Palmer River) would have carried with him a coin minted between 1101 and 1125 AD. 
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Rest in Peace
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Oh Spence, you spoil all the fun! 
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Valued Member
 Australia
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Thankyou everyone you are a great help, My mother lives in Cooktown so the next time I'm up there I will look into it a bit better.
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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Quote:However, I do question why a Chinese miner pressed into service no earlier than 1872 (when gold was discovered in the Palmer River) would have carried with him a coin minted between 1101 and 1125 AD. Yeah... chronologically speaking, it's the equivalent of an English convict carrying a long cross penny. That said, the style of Chinese coinage didn't change that much since 1125 AD, so it's perfectly possible that some Song cash (hoard finds?) were still circulating back then, being mistaken for Qing cash. Similar stories are, in fact, known in Europe (stuff like Roman coins with 17th century Spanish counterstamps). It does seem extremely unlikely, however (as in, such coins would be a very small minority, and it's terribly unlikely that one of them would be found on the fields). Then again, nowadays, if a Northern Song coin was actually found in Australia, it would probably be a newspaper item and invite discussions of Chinese colonization of Australia. I doubt they would just calmly CoA it just as if it came from the 19th century.
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