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1859 Varieties And Haxby

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Is there a comprehensive list that matches Haxby numbers to each of the major DP/TP gradable varieties for the 1859 Cent?
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If you open up the front of the Charlton and look at the major varieties and then view the Haxby variety listings,(with pics) it's a no brainer..
The pics match each other and the Haxby #'s are right there.
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lol....
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The answer to your question is...no...
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It seems that non of the grading companies want to take time and check them out for reference and use the Haxby number system on there holders CCCS was the only one that would put Haxby numbers on the holder. I think Charlton would have to start using the Haxby numbers system before a list to match DP/Tp 9's would happen just my thoughts
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I think Charlton would have to start using the Haxby numbers system before a list to match DP/Tp 9's would happen just my thoughts


..But if you cross ref using the Haxby 9's on his site,..They do also show and list the DP #1's and on..

So much (and so much more) is in the Haxby listings if you just bother to look..

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The purpose of my question was to find out if there were multiple Haxby (reverse) numbers that would apply to a DP(x) designation. So the obvious answer is no when it comes to rev. My interest in this started with identifying differences between Haxby P4a (identified as a RP9) and P4 (identified as RP9-#8 TP9). Neither of which ICCS attributes.
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just FYI I found this thread helpful...http://goccf.com/t/270427&SearchTerms=P4A
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ICCS won't certify anything that's not in the front of Charlton, though he has done a few that show up on Trends and not in Charlton.
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But the front of the Charlton is expanding with a few more varieties.

...and we will just try to live long enough to see a few more..
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So I guess I'm curious as what the obstacle is identifying the rest of the 10+ major DP9 varieties in Charlton using the DP sequence numbers. Haxby has already used #6,7,8. How difficult is it to add these to Trend and Charlton?
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When we wrote the variety section for the 65th edition, we named and got (From Bill Cross at Charlton) the #'s 3, 4, & 5, as well as the 9/6. The 3 & 4 were names by us as the two "types" of overpunches that were possible to be seen for the 1859's. For DP's 1-4, you have one each of Hi/Lo, Lo/Hi, R/L & L/R. We names the Zoell R2b as the #5, just because they had been discussed a lot on the coin sites and it had very distinctive markers so that it couldn't be confused with anything else. The #3 & 4 also have distinctive markers that differentiate the die differences and are not due to die wear.

As I do not use the Haxby system, and I have no idea what the 6, 7, & 8 are. I am a variety collector/researcher, not a die tracker looking for small anomalies to ID the dies. I ID'd varieties by looking for differences that can be seen by the naked eye and have good markers that don't take a microscope.
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An important note regarding the Haxby numbering system. It is fluid, i.e. not permanent. Why? Because Dr, Haxby is also tracking the order in which the dies were used. When he learns of a new die pair or obv die or rev die he will try to figure out where in the sequence it fits. Check out his "NEWS" page and you'll see that he has renumbered many of the coins due to new finds. http://www.vickycents.com/news--5217.html

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