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Is This The 1918/17 D Nickel Overdate Variety? I Need Help Authenticating!

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I previously posted my Buffalo nickel finds while searching a bag of dateless buffs and I came across 4 1918 D nickels. Upon further inspection I noticed that the the holes in the 8 are not on top of each other but slightly diagonal. The mint mark is slightly tilted to the left and there is a slight rotation on the coin. I took pictures of the obverse and you can see the two loops of the 8 are diagonal. There are two different coins posted here I'd really appreciate everyone's input on whether they are the real 1918/17 variety or not. Also what grade would you give these coins?
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And the last three are of the second coin I found.
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We need to see better pics of the date to say for sure. There aren't any die markers we'd be able to see on a coin this worn.
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I think if you could post a pic of the obverse as clear as the first reverse pic, it would help. Right now, we see blurry buffaloes.
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Sorry, can't tell anything about the date with those obverse pictures.
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I'm basing my guess on the fact that all 1918/17 D over dates that I see online have the same slight die rotation and tilted mintmark
The date is so worn that is not showing up in the pictures but there are two faint dots for the loops of the 8 and they are diagnol from each other.

Do all 1918 D nickels have a tilted mint mark ands slight die rotation?
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I would say yes, but no promises until better photos.
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The mintmark is always tilted and in the same position. It looks promising, I think I can make out the loops of the 8.
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Play around with the direction and angle of lighting to bring out what's left of the date as you see it. Some angles will obliterate it in a pic and another may let us see what you do.
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Definitely worth more photos. Even in poor restored condition there are plenty of collectors who would love that overdate just to fill an impossible hole.

I hope it proves to be that overdate. I, too, can't be sure with the photos provided.
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I will try my best to post more photos, I am very tempted to vinegar wash it, but I know it would lower the value of the coin. Even though it's in bad condition it's still not considered "restored" and when it's in your hand you can clearly see the 18. Would it be worth bringing it to a coin dealer for an expert opinion?
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DON'T vinegar wash it!!! From the photos you have given us, the coin has more than enough details to identify it. Vinegar washing it would drop its value by around $300-$350 if it is an 8/7.

Trust me, I know about these things. I have gone through hundreds and hundreds of dateless Buffalo nickels, vinegar washing them, and have found 2 of these overdates.
They are some of my favorite coins. I have studied them for hours.

No offense by the yelling at the beginning of this post, I just wanted to save this coin, and point out the importance of the value, and the deterioration of the value vinegar washing would do.

Good luck with better photos.

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Don't worry Coinlover 1899 I did not vinegar wash it I was tempted though. I can see the dates so there's no need to clean it. I just can't take clear enough pictures for everyone to see. I have a few other normal 1918 D nickels that are very worn and compared the loops and they do not match the two 1918 D nickels in question
The loops of the 8 are definitely diagonal from each other.
Considering I only paid $106 for them I think I got a good deal


Edit:(I paid $106 for a bag of 216 dateless buffs d and s coins only)
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You got a screaming deal, what are you taking photos with?
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I'm using an awful iPhone camera because I don't own a good one to use for coins. Any suggestions for a good inexpensive camera?
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Set your iphone on a tissue box, and place the coin under your phone, now get a lamp and shine it over the coin, so the shadow of you iphone doesn't hit the coin. Tap the date area of the coin on your iphone to focus it and snap a pick.

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Would it be worth bringing it to a coin dealer for an expert opinion?

Don't count on your local dealer to be able to render an "expert" opinion. Unless they happen to specialize in buffalos, or errors and varieties. Way too many dealers expertise lies in being able to read a gray sheet and slab labels.

I can never remember where it is but there is also a die crack on the obverse of the 18/7.

OK here is the image, the crack is faint but right up where it reaches the hair braid there is a die chip. (Up by the left most arrow in the image) It is in an area that is very low on the coin. The chip may still be visible even on very low grade coins.

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