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Interesting! My first thought was MD, until I saw that little extension in the inside curl of the 9, although it doesn't totally match the markers here on Coppercoins. Perhaps it's another DDO?  I'll let the experts here chime in. Edited by KurtS
05/03/2008 1:47 pm
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I think it is the Doubled Die.
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I guess I need to look better, I tried to find it on coppercoins, but it didn't show
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It is, I have an MS-65+ example here and those characteristics are correct for the DDO FS # 1C - 012 in the CherryPickers' Guide. If still valid Breen# is 2053 Thanks, Bill |
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It looks like doubling to me. I have never heard of a 1909 VDB Double Die before. Is there a market for that kind of coin? -PP
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That's a doubled die, and it's the one mentioned in the posts on this thread. Not very uncommon, but it's still a nice find.
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should I worry about the gunk on liberty, or let it stay?
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Personally, I would not touch it. That dirt looks very old and part of the coin. Remove it, and it may look obviously cleaned--or become damaged in the process.
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05/04/2008 1:57 pm
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Never clean your coins, Just enjoy it as it is Pleas, Nice find
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If you do decide to remove surface dirt/debris first practice on damaged coins that have little or no value. The only method I know of that you should even consider is soaking your coin in extra virgin olive oil for a week or so and then under magnification use a straw from a wisk broom or a broken toothpick to lightly remove the unwanted item. If it doesn't move easily STOP. Soak more or quit and then remove the oil from the surface with acetone in a well ventilated area.
You are better off leaving the dirt where it lies.
John Booth
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That's a very good explanation of what NEVER to do to a Lincoln Cent...especially the toothpick. |
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Dear Chuck:
First of all something made of wood is less likely to hurt the surface of a coin, secondly there could be worse and harder things to use, and thirdly I was referring to things a person might easily find around the house to use. I did say that it would probably be better to NOT remove anything from the surface of a coin and only provided a less destructive method that would allow the ability to remove debris without damaging toning.
I know you are considered the king of the roost around here and up till now have said nothing about your rude and rash comments with disregard to others feelings, but considering we are all probably adults here I think its OK to say that your knowledge and expertise has created a character flaw in you that is unbecoming of any man and probably drives people away from this forum, especially young people. I suggest that tact is something that, if you have ever known it and used it before, will help you and this forum in the future and will promote learning, understanding, and loving of this hobby.
I will end with thanking you for your comment and recognise you as a very knowledgeable man in numismatics. I encourage you to keep helping others, especially young people, in this field of coin collecting and urge the consideration of others.
John Booth
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Why does this have to be about people? I don't personally see any reason for going there. Anyway, I'd like to submit a few opinions on why I'd also discourage the toothpick method. I have a few coins in my collection (not sold), where I've experimented with gentle cleaning methods. This involves a small "green thorn" from a rose that hasn't yet hardened completely. I would use this and some denatured alcohol to softly loosen larger chunks of dirt on copper coins. Despite working carefully under a loupe, my results are mixed and I cannot recommend even this method to anyone. Here's why: Dirt on a coin often contains small bits of mineral or crystals from copper oxidation. When you apply any amount of pressure, you can easily force harder pieces of dirt into the copper. Move any tool across the surface of a copper coin with dirt underneath, and you've possibly left a bright copper scratch on the coin. Believe me, it takes very little effort to do this to a coin--easily within the force applied by a toothpick or by my method. Perhaps you'll be lucky and not scratch the coin, but once the coin is scratched...it cannot be undone. What's more, removing old dirt will alter the surface of a coin. Depending on how long the dirt stands on the coin, removing this may easily expose less weathered copper and create a very obvious difference. So what was once part of the coin's character becomes an obvious indication of cleaning. Better to leave this nice '09 just the way it is!  Edited by KurtS
05/10/2008 1:50 pm
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I have also heard of the thorn method and have tried it with success, but thorns aren't readily available to me and I am sure others.
I agree wholeheartedly that you should avoid ever cleaning or removing anything from a coins surface...unless it is of value and has PVC or something else that is detrimental to the coins "health" and then only to preserve the coin.
You are right its not about people it is about learning and sharing. Sincerely, I apologise for letting my emotions get the better of me and will try and refrain from doing so in the future.
John Booth
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Thanks and I don't want to come across as testy either. There's a lot of good will on this forum--it's an asset to the hobby. I hope I return some of that good will to others here by sharing a few things I've learned. |
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