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1996 Penny I'm Seeing Double

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I have no idea how to tell if it's Machine Doubling or double die no matter how many articles I read about them...
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 Posted 09/10/2017  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea, this one is kind of a fooled, but it is MD. This is a plating issue, not really a bubble like with trapped gasses or debris which causes zinc rot. This is caused by the vibration, a sympathetic effect that moves the plating. You've seen the "ghosting" effect before I'm sure, this is just more pronounced.

Note how inside the 9's are puffed up, same cause. Possible that the plating was loose, not annealed and applied well.
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So it's nothing?
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Is it common?
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Yes, very common. No extra value.
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How does is this 2012 DDO but the 1996 not? I'm confused and would like to know my liberty looks pretty similar to it
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CrazyBo is 100% right. The 2012 (which I'm not familiar with) if it is a DDO, looks to have extra thickness on LIBERTY. Double dies 'add to' devices, it doesn't take way like MD. Zinc rot looks like it adds too but it's just expansion of the zinc as it corrodes.

These illustrations may help you:

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I have a hard time with DDO also...they have beat into my head to look for notches also DDO add thickness to the letters.

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Wasn't saying he was wrong just wondering how to tell the illustrations help a little it all confuses me... well I guess I'll find one one day till then thanks for explaining and helping
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When you look at a doubled device first look at the overall size and shape of the original characteristics of whether it is a number or a letter( best to have a normal coin of same denomination handy for comparison.If the doubling on the device looks flattened with sharper outer edges it is MD ( Machine Doubling) but if the devise has been enlarged in size exhibiting separation line with extra thickness it is Hub doubled ( doubled die).in the following pics. you will see the first coin:1968 Quarter with Machine Doubling and a 1963 Quarter with a Doubled die which clearly exhibits Notches and separation lines in all the devices.hope this was hopeful.
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To me it looks the same idk why but it does I'm going to have a very hard time with this I think but I will eventually post something you guys tell me I'm right about lol till then thanks for the help
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