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Time To Donate To CCF (If You Can)

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 Posted 09/16/2017  10:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am not associated with CCF, just a reader like most all y'all.

Hurricane Harvey made me think about something (no, not flood insurance).

TL;DR:

It's past time for those of us who can afford to, to donate to CCF...

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...upporter.asp

And on to part 2 for the "pledge drive" (next message)
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 Posted 09/16/2017  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Web hosting

Specifically it was this article: https://arstechnica.com/information...-web-server/, which described how a small, almost vanity, hyper local site got hit by the eye wall of the storm in terms of web traffic:


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On a normal day with calm skies, Space City Weather sees maybe 5,000 visitors who generate maybe 10,000 page views, max. If there's a bad thunderstorm on the horizon, the site might see twice that many views as folks try to check in and get weather updates.



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Hurricane Harvey managed to bring in traffic at about 100x the normal rate for several days, peaking at 1.1 million views on Sunday, August 27 (that's not a cumulative number—that's just for that one day).


That got me thinking (I know, dangerous, last time I hurt myself and somebody called the paramedics, but that's another story). The gist of the SCW story is that he (the author) is hosting it for a friend on an existing server, so the "opportunity cost" is close to zero.

That got me thinking about CCF... and how it pays the freight. CCF is a lot more complex than SCW which is basically a small number of static web pages. This place is anything BUT static.

Believe it or not, web hosting at industrial scale is not free...

Many of us are in the biz some way or other and know that there's a big difference between "free" hosting and real, professional grade hosting with real connectivity. For that, at the low end, $8-$10/month buys - on a shared server - some web space, reasonable traffic and a domain or two. It's enough to support my vanity domain and some email (and I don't have to worry about keeping the server up and running). I also don't worry (maybe I should) about who/what else is hosted on my shared server. So if somebody gets POed at one of the other 12 domains on my shared server, I'm toast too.

Anyway, that kind of package is nowhere near enough to support CCF! Dedicated servers cost $80/month and up (emphasis on the UP). Just buying the server will set you back the better part of $2k and then you pay monthly for hosting... or you "buy" the server month-by-month.

How does (Google, Facebook, etc.) pull it off? Because they get paid billions of dollars for the tiny % of ads that people actually click on and it adds up to pay the bills.
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OK, so what about the ads (that we pretty much all hate, doesn't that pay the bills?)

In the early web days (1993, 1994), advertisers paid per impression (CPM - Cost Per Thousand) on the theory that if you show the ad a lot, you get more traffic. Once PPC (Pay Per Click) was introduced (around 1998) it rapidly switched over, since if people click on your ad you know they viewed it. Yes, they may show you the ad 1000 times, but the web site only gets paid if you click!

How fast did it switch? In 1999, 40% of ads were CPM and 8% were PPC, 57% were a mixture (hybrid). Interestingly - and explains why there are so many ads - the CPM is about the same in 2016... in 2016 it was 35% CPM, 64% PPC and 1% hybrid.

(See https://www.iab.com/wp-content/uplo...C_1999Q4.pdf and other IAB reports: https://www.iab.com/insights/iab-in...pers-pwc-2/)

With PPC, advertisers pay a lot for the "right" keywords... for example, this article from 2011 says it was almost $55/click: http://www.wordstream.com/articles/...ive-keywords for the most expensive keyword. Fast forward to 2017 and it's almost $59 http://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2...e-keywords). (2017's top 2 are "Business Services" type keywords and "Bail Bonds" - go figure...)
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 Posted 09/16/2017  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ask yourself: if you are going to visit one of the CCF sponsors, do you click on the little banner ad at the top? Or type APMEX in the address/search bar and let Google direct you? (Yeah, me too) but that's a click that CCF doesn't earn.

If you've been on the web for any amount of time, you've seen the paywalls going up everywhere. Everybody is feeling the pinch.

The worst squeeze is coming to the middle tier. The big dogs have the advertising model working at their scale. The small sites (SCW) run off $10/month hosting and the sponsor eats the cost.

But in the middle? It's not big enough to be ad supported and not small enough for 1 or 2 people to pay for out of their pocket.

Yes, somebody or something has to pay for CCF. If it's not advertising, what? The best way to keep our 'home' here going strong is for those of us who can, to donate a little bit towards the costs. Just like public radio, except without the pledge drives.

"Public Radio" isn't free - but what, 1 in 10 donate to cover 60% or more of the total costs? $75 keeps the lights on for NPR in Dallas. $60 in NYC (better percentage contribute or a larger market?). $40 in SF. $60 in Seattle. $60 in Maine.

How about CCF?

The user list shows about 775 people have POSTED this month alone. If we can get 1 in 10 to contribute even $3.75 a month (Bobby's $45 a year plan here: https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...upporter.asp , we can say we're better than San Francisco...

... end of pledge drive
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09/16/2017 11:08 pm
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I can't say we're better than San Francisco because I live and work here, and I wouldn't have it any other way. (Honestly, I'm tired of being the butt of the hippie, left wing, counter-cultural and otherwise negative comments on this site but that's a topic for elsewhere. That's not why we're all here.)

I haven't seen an ad (if I can help it) in more than a decade because I hate the business model and I hate the intrusion. What I like, though, is the value I get from this site. I haven't been here very long, relatively speaking, and I'm sure I've consumed my share of bandwidth. I visit several times a day. I don't read everything but I do learn something constantly.

We get new people all the time who, without sites like this one, would have nowhere to go with this level of trust and support. Such a community (in the true sense of the word) is hard to come by anymore. I'm happy to be a supporter, not just for me, but for all of them too. It would be nice if there were more of us to make sure this site continues and to keep improving as we go.
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I will second all of what BStrauss3 said.

Maybe it's time for a Big Supporter Giveaway?

I just started a weird contest but, could probably come up with something to give for those who become a Big Supporter.

When I first became a Supporter, I did a one time donation of $25 that got me the special tag for 5 months! After it lapsed, I wanted to re-up for a little more because I enjoy this platform tremendously and it is a massive help to me.

Considering the options available, it didn't take long to realize what else I spend $10 a month on (the minimum for Big Supporter) and what real enjoyment those things bring me compared to CCF.

Actually, I can't think of something I spend only $10/month on. It's more likely to be $10/day.

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I recently lost quite a few photos after my phone and its SD card crapped out. I eventually realized that every pic I posted on CCF was retrievable if I chose to do so. I currently have uploaded 1,099 images (a few duplicates) and many of them were lost on my end. Who's paying for the space to keep all those?

It's not me.

Anyway, just think about how you use this forum and whether or not it's in your budget and worth it to you to give a minimum of $3.75 a month.
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I don't know why people that use this sight so much and say have 1440 posts in 2 1/2 months posting all the coins they have bought wouldn't even go with the six month plan - $25 for 6 months isn't asking for blood. I'm on a limited income and I can eve scrounge up 25$ in that time period.
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I've been a supporter since Spence's "membership" contest a while back had me realize just how much I had learned in a short period of time and how much I appreciated that simple fact. Too often we do forget that services aren't totally without cost, this site being a prime example. I'm on a fixed budget myself, but I pay more in CCW insurance to maintain a personal piece of mind, why not "insure" something I find immense enjoyment from? Thinkabbouddit!
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I was a supporter a few years ago and will be again when the exchange rate comes down a bit more.
When you have to pay 40% on a dollar it adds up. Its only 25% now but still high.
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I have been a CCF supporter off and on over the years.
Recently I managed to generate two 6 month subscriptions for others in a CCF sale and I plan to do that again. I don't need the banner.
I try to support in ways that I can.
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Quote:
Specifically it was this article: https://arstechnica.com/information...web-server/, which described how a small, almost vanity, hyper local site got hit by the eye wall of the storm in terms of web traffic:


Odd place to find another Ars reader. It's been my home page for almost twenty years.
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 Posted 09/17/2017  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd have been a supporter long ago, but...
- the exchange rate is really not in my favor (and with the recent decision of the US congress it's probably only going to be more not in my favor);
- I still hadn't figured out how to actually do it (I don't have a credit card, for example);
- and finally, I'm too afraid that an automatic transfer at the wrong moment will leave me a few dollars short for something important (such as food or an airplane ticket).

If I was regularly earning a wage of at least $10/day, I could probably consider trying to actually look for a way to send $10/month to CCF.
It doesn't seem very likely so far, however (though for a few months I did semi-regularly earn $5/day, which was already very nice).

[If you're wondering how I'm spending more than that on coins - that's allowance that comes from my parents. And now that they're slightly short on cash too I don't get too much of that either.]
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Jeesh. OK, you get a pass. Thanks for reminding us of how things work in many other areas of the world.
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This is the best coin forum and community on the Internet -- bar none. It is worth a subscription and becoming a supporter, if you are able to afford it without undue financial hardship.

The work that the mods and the community put into this site is extensive, relentless, and exceptionally useful for anyone with even the slightest interest in the numismatic hobby.

There are other sites out there, but they tend to be infested with trolls and show-offs who care little about history, numismatics, or anything other than slamming other users, starting flame wars, or repeatedly trying to showcase how much deeper their pockets are than the other users. CCF is blessedly free of such vices, and that alone is worth my money.
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Glad I can afford to support the site. It has provided great knowledge for me over the course of time. Thank you to others who also lend their support.
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Very nice call to arms @bstrauss!
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