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1883-O Morgan Estimated Grade?

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What is the estimated grade for this 1883-O Morgan? Its in a plastic holder.


1883-O-Morgan--Estimated-Grade?

1883-O-Morgan--Estimated-Grade?

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 Posted 09/20/2017  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add throughtheireyes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU58 (only my opinion as I'm just learning. The experts will be along shortly I'm sure)
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I give it AU 55, for the rim nick and the bag marks on Liberty's cheek, but AU it is.
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Is it AU because of the color of the metal and lack of toning?
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Is it AU because of the color of the metal and lack of toning?


Color isn't relevant; these are scans, which are known to be unable to depict color and luster accurately so one forms no opinion about surface preservation from them. The reason I agree with the lightly-circulated opinions is more about the nature of the few marks which are visible on the coin; some of these nicks don't jibe with experience regarding the marks a Morgan can pick up in bags before circulation.
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looks unc details cleaned. weakly struck obverse.
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What leads you to think cleaned, numismatic student? I don't see any of the hairlines associated with a mechanical cleaning... or are you thinking dipped?

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Technical grade AU-55. It's impossible to tell from those scans if it's been dipped, or not. The rim Nick wouldn't detail it. But as far as value is concerned it doesn't make a lot of difference. Not choice, regardless.
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Yes, it looks dipped. Surfaces do not look original. I might change my mind if you have pictures that show otherwise.
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What is the best way to photo a coin? Does it need to be removed from the plastic holder? What kind of lighting is better?
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I just use my cell phone with a regular light source at an angle (indirect light). Plastic looks clear so I don't think there is need to remove it from the holder.
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What is the best way to photo a coin? Does it need to be removed from the plastic holder? What kind of lighting is better?


The best way to image a coin depends greatly upon what you have on hand with which to image it.

Definitely remove it from the holder, though. If you can, establish a stable platform for both camera and coin, nice and square to each other so there's no shape distortion, and trigger the shutter remotely via timer or something so your finger does not induce vibration.

Beyond those basics, any further suggestions would depend on the equipment you're using.
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I am thinking AU-55 from those pictures.
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Thank you to everyone. This is a great way to start learning how to grade.
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AU-58
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AU-55 details
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