National Bank Notes Without Bank Signatures

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MvleMO55 Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 07:48 am Is this seen very often? Could it be because of cleaning? Or just somehow missed getting signatures originally? Just wondering as I am a new collector and have seen several note examples without signatures. Report this Post to the Staff

SteveInTampa Pillar of the Community United States 4637 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 08:11 am I have only seen this on Large size Nationals, and Obsolete remainders (not issued/signed) Typically, over time and possible washings some signatures fade. On the other hand, some bold/fancy signatures remain easily readable and even add to the eye appeal of the note. Report this Post to the Staff
babysitr Pillar of the Community United States 1339 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 09:32 am Keep in mind that a lot of large size nationals were stamped signatures,not all were pen signed,some were a combination of both, at the bank. Someone will be sure, but I believe small size arrived already printed on the note? You see most Orig. and 1882 are penned. Don't see many that were not issued, many are just faded out. They may have been destroyed if not signed/used. Steve and other Experts needed here! Report this Post to the Staff
MvleMO55 Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 09:52 am Example of one that I've seen. Report this Post to the Staff
SteveInTampa Pillar of the Community United States 4637 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 10:48 am The Heritage archives shows another example on the same bank (CH.3268) and includes "signatures faded" in the auction description. https://currency.ha.com/itm/nationa...bnail-071515 Report this Post to the Staff
babysitr Pillar of the Community United States 1339 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 11:15 am Looks signed to me, badly faded Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 5:12 pm Maybe, or are those marks just security threads? Report this Post to the Staff
MvleMO55 Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 5:19 pm Thanks for all the info and suggestions. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 5:32 pm Steve's Heritage reference suggests that these notes were not signed in the first place. Report this Post to the Staff
WheatBack Pillar of the Community United States 2850 Posts	Posted 09/26/2017 7:54 pm Quote: Steve's Heritage reference suggests that these notes were not signed in the first place. It was likely the ink used and how they were stored. Some signatures stood the test of time better than others. All nationals were signed at one point -- unless they are proofs. Here's a couple that still have signatures attached: https://currency.ha.com/itm/nationa...bnail-071515 https://currency.ha.com/itm/nationa...bnail-071515 Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 09/27/2017 5:10 pm You must be right, but to see no trace at all seems somehow unlikely. Edited by Coinfrog 09/27/2017 5:24 pm Report this Post to the Staff
MeadowviewCollector Pillar of the Community United States 4409 Posts	Posted 09/27/2017 5:43 pm Large size notes were shipped to the bank in uncut, unsigned sheets. Signatures were then added by hand and the sheets cut apart. As Babysitr has correctly written some signatures were stamped, others were pen signed. During the Series 1902 era the banks could even have the officers' signatures engraved on the plate. Another factor to consider is scans versus a photo. It is possible that a scan of stamped or signed signatures in a light color such as purple would appear faded. -MV Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 09/27/2017 6:00 pm Faded, yes, I have several (especially in purple), but with no trace, it would seem, on two notes from the same bank? Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 09/27/2017 6:11 pm There are well over a dozen '02 PBs known for this bank, up to AU and even CU. I wonder if any other member might own one? Report this Post to the Staff
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