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Deciphering The Correct Year On Ottoman Empire Coins

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 Posted 09/30/2017  8:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have 4 Ottoman Empire coins, which I purchased some years ago as a 'set' of 1909. I'm just getting around to doing the images and verifying the data I have for them, only to discover that except for the 20 Para, there were none minted for 1909. I had assumed the initial dates I had for them were correct due to what appeared to be 'dates' on the bottom of each reverse.

My research today has led me to believe that the actual years are in fact allocated by the 'regnal' "date/mint letter" that appears between the Toughra and the inscription on the Obverse.

Below are the images of the 4 coins, and the dates that I have now determined for them. Please don't hesitate to let me know if I have any info incorrect as I am using my 2015 Edition of Krause and Numista to educate myself with respect to these coins.

Turkey Ott Emp 5 Para 1909 #759 Ni 1910-15

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Turkey Ott Emp 10 Para 1909 #760 Ni 1910-15

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Turkey Ott Emp 20 Para 1909 #761 Ni 1909-15

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Turkey Ott Emp 40 Para 1909 #766 Ni 1910-12

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Hello Nevol,

I do not have a paper krause catalog handy but have looked at the numista page, most importantly:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11088.html

I agree that the coins have a static date 1327 with the mint years being the characters you have pointed to. I see the first three as being regnal year 5 which looks like a circle with a dimple at the bottom or sometimes an upside down heart. The last has a regnal year of 3 which looks like a flag with an extra ripple.

According to the numista page these correlate to 1910 and 1912, which is different than you have written. It may be that numista is mistaken or you get your information from krause which uses different dates. Also the years in different cultures sometimes overlap two of our calendar years.

I would record the dates of these coin as 1327 / 3 or 1327 / 5 as I find that the simplest. But I understand that's not satisfying for some people who want to know what year that really means.

I assume the character to the left of the regnal date is a mintmark d/t numista describing it as a "date/mint letter" but don't know for sure.

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Quote:
My research today has led me to believe that the actual years are in fact allocated by the 'regnal' "date/mint letter" that appears between the Toughra and the inscription on the Obverse.

That is correct.

1327 in the Islamic calendar should be around 1909 in the Gregorian calendar, so to find the Gregorian date using the regnals years requires a little bit of math: date + regnal year - 1. The reason one has to be subtracted is because there is no regnal year of zero; 1909 has the year of one.

So, 1909 + 5 - 1 = 1913, meaning you are right with your first three.

1909 + 3 - 1 = 1911, meaning you are just off one year on that last one.

Looking at the Numista pages, it looks like the 40 para's Gregorian dates are off. The other three pages all look correct though.
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Thanks for the extra info, I really do appreciate it.

No wonder I thought I was doing my head in trying to come to grips with it.
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