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1785 Vermont Colonial Info

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 Posted 10/06/2017  7:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bookermg to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was visiting my dad and we were discussing his coin collection. It had been many years since I had seen his collection so he had me get them out. He was an avid collector of Canadian coins, but he also has 60 or so Colonial coins I guessing. One coin in particular he talked about was a 1785 Vermont. He seemed to remember that there being a couple varieties but wasn't sure which he had. He is blind and has been for quite a few years so he wanted me to do some research.Hence how I discovered this site. I am hoping one of the many experts here can give me a little info about his coin (variety, grade.) that I can rely back to him. I took a couple pics of it but through the coin sleeve so my apologies on the quality.
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 Posted 10/06/2017  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An RR-3 which is the scarcest 1785 variety. It is a rarity 5 which is 31 to 75 known. Nice coin!
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 Posted 10/06/2017  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mayflower2020 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum! Everyone here has their own specialties. I'm sure the colonial experts will chime in. Great looking coin!
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 Posted 10/07/2017  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree with RR-3. Had problems placing it at first, used the Whitman book Colonial and Early American Coins. It DOESN'T match the RR-3 in the book but it does match the RR-3 in the Richard Picker plates. Oddly the obverse of RR-3 in the Whitman book doesn't match either of the Vermonts varieties (RR-2 and RR-3) in the Picker plates. The date on the RR-3 in the Whitman plate is much too close to the plow.
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 Posted 10/08/2017  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice indeed, thanks for sharing.



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 Posted 10/09/2017  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bookermg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the responses. I was unaware of the RR-2,3 classifications and was able to take that info and do some more research. He will be pleased to know this is the more scarce. I will say though that when I did find other RR-3 examples, the values were all across the board. Do you guys think this is something he should send to one of the grading company's? Also I am glad I found this board and will post more. I will have to get pictures of his other colonials.
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 Posted 10/12/2017  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mayflower2020 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion, if it is something he is planning on selling (especially true if selling online) it is better to have it graded. When buying a coin in person I can gauge what I think by looking at it from different angles and in different light. Online you can only see the the images they took, and it could look different in the picture than it does in person when you see it a week later. There is a piece of mind for the buyer of a graded coin. And in my opinion it will make them more likely to buy it, and to spend more money if it is verified and professionally graded.
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I agree with Mayflower2020, and if you decide to have it holdered, take lots of pictures beforehand from every angle including the edges.
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Does anyone else have a copy of the Whitman book on the colonial coins that can comment on the image of RR-3 in the book?
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 Posted 10/14/2017  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Curious, the plow handles on the Whitman coin are way off in relation to the lettering as well. Wish I had gotten a copy of Tony Carlotto's book. I planned on it but never got around to it.
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Which brings up the next question. Is the coin pictured in the Whitman book genuine? If so it may represents a previously unknown Vermont landscape obverse die. I found a copy of the errata sheet for the book and the Vermont RR-3 Bresset 2-B (Their W-2010) is not listed as being in error.
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 Posted 10/15/2017  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what it says in my Whitman:


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Tony Calotto wrote,"Probably the most intriuiging coin in the landscape series. This is because of the striking peculiarities and planchet oddities."


Sounds like maybe he had some doubts...
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 Posted 10/16/2017  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But striking peculiarities and planchet oddities would not make design features move around and change their relationship to each other.
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