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World War I Centennial Silver Dollar Fails To Demonstrate Basic Gun Safety

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Based on the fact that the soldier has his eyes closed and is pointing his rifle in the opposite direction as he is facing, I'm confident in concluding that it's not actually an action shot of him firing the rifle. Why does it seem to be too much to ask that those who create drawings, pose for picture or create movies demonstrate the most basic forms of firearms safety? It's pretty simple. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you're ready to shoot. People are more likely to behave responsibly if it's demonstrated to them. I can't believe this coin got all the way through the approval process without anyone catching it. Is there anyone who can be contacted about this sort of thing that might actually be able to get it changed? It's a poor example for our government to be setting.
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 Posted 10/09/2017  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good catch. And 100% agree. How did that pass QA?
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I looked up the webpage for

THE ASSOCIATION OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY
2425 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22201
Phone: 703-841-4300
Member Services: 1-855-246-6269
Email: membersupport@ausa.org

Maybe we can send them a petition to do a better job of selecting winning designs?
If nobody complains, this will be the design. I won't buy it, I know that much.


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It's a WW1 soldier aka draftee not the battle harden professional military of today. You are being way over critical on this and failing to consider the time. I can guarantee you they didn't demonstrate trigger discipline while being sent to their death over the barbed wire between the trenches.
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@basebal21 -
We are not questioning the actions of the soldier. We are questioning the actions of the designer.
Throwing emotional heart strings of ppl being sent to their deaths will not justify a design that is senseless.
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I see in the area of the date 1918 2018, it seems a bit odd that some of the body is missing. The shading was left out for the shoulder or this is two completely different people? One with a profile bust of a soldier who has lost an eye and another of a pair of arms holding a rifle.
Nobody is doubting the horror of WWI, but of all the artistic talent in the country, I find this design lacking and disappointing.
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We are not questioning the actions of the soldier. We are questioning the actions of the designer.
Throwing emotional heart strings of ppl being sent to their deaths will not justify a design that is senseless.


I didn't throw any emotional heart strings into anything. You guys are nit picking it and not actually taking into consideration what it is. Its a design of a WW1 soldier going through barbed wire on a trench charge hence the design name "Soldiers Charge". What were most WW1 soldiers, draftees. Fingers would have been on triggers. Not to mention the fact that it may be a hand to hand combat scene which they do need to explain a little more as it can be viewed in two different ways. Either way the finger on the trigger is a complete non-issue and accurate. Being upset over firearms safety in a war scene from WW1 is just looking to find an issue
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I don't think that the artist put the finger inside the trigger guard in an effort to demonstrate the poor gun safety of the time. It's most likely that he drew it that way because he's ignorant regarding gun safety and thought it looked good. Soldiers and people in generally were not as aware about gun safety as they are today, but I think that it'd be good to take a little creative liberty and depict the soldier in a manner that gives him the benefit of the doubt.

My father fought in Vietnam. He knew a guy (I don't know if he was a friend or not) that was killed because he didn't practice basic gun safety. The guy was climbing a hill and another soldier was behind him. The soldier behind him asked for help getting up the hill, so the guy held his M16 by the front handguard near the muzzle and stretched it out for the soldier in the rear to grab on to. Unfortunately, the soldier in the rear grabbed the pistol grip, put his finger on the trigger and pulled it. The result was a burst of automatic fire that killed the guy who had held out his rifle for the soldier in the rear to grab on to. When the army informed his family that he had died, they didn't tell them how. I guess that they didn't want to tell them that he had got himself hilled because he didn't put his safety on. Unfortunately, the family later read about it in a news magazine.
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Its a WW1 commemorative, not a PSA on gun safety. In all honesty you are trying to make an issue out of nothing. That coin will have absolutely no impact, zero, none whatsoever over how anyone in the country handles a gun. Its a combat scene it should be accurate unless they should also use creative liberty and have them sit down and discuss their issues instead of having a war over it
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Got a question for you brainiacs. You ever been in combat around coiled barbwire? Are you even a friggin vet? Have you been trained in military combat arms? I have. I also have crossed barbwire barriers, where the FIRST RULE is to keep your weapon free from entanglement, approaching the barrier with your body, lifting your arms(both) above the barrier while swinging weapon UP AND OVER to fire at the enemy. Now, second point, fire discipline, this is a 1903 Springfield, bolt operated, fires one round at a time, different times different disciplines! Third point, the finger off the trigger is a "civilian" principle, not a battlefield technique. The "safety" for a FULLY trained Marine rifleman(Vietnam) is one's brain. This principle is in full operation among most US and foreign SpecOps personnel today.

The picture on the coin shows the lead soldier's approach to the barrier, period. His "assignment" (orders) was to throw himself on the barrier, give protective enfilade fire if able and become a human bridge over the wire. Literally he was walked on by those following. Most likely, he was already dead by this time, mowed down by enemy machine gun fire, his body becoming a bridge. You braniacs don't really have a clue, think about that next time you"thank a vet!"
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I like the design. It captures the frenzy of battle.
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Being upset over firearms safety in a war scene from WW1 is just looking to find an issue

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Its a WW1 commemorative, not a PSA on gun safety.

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I like the design. It captures the frenzy of battle.
I agree with these statements. Context is everything.

Crazyb0, is laying down and I am picking it up.
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Crazyb0, no need to get upset or start throwing out insults. You're service is appreciated. I was (mostly) taught gun safety by people who learned to shoot in the military. They never told me of a different standard for civilians versus soldiers.

I don't expect it to be a PSA on gun safety. I just don't think that it was intentional in order to be authentic. If they had thought about it, I'm sure they would kept the finger out of the trigger guard. Despite what some may think, images do matter. People see things and think that's how they're supposed to be done. Keeping the soldiers finger out of the trigger guard would not have diminished the design at all.
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With Jbuck and that Crazy guy. Failed nitpicking.
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Keep in mind that during that time it's doubtful that most males didn't have a rifle by age ten. Hunting with the parents, grandparents, and other relatives gave you plenty of dos and do not dos in regard to safety.

When I was in 6th grade gun safety was mandatory for boys (Home economics for girls).

That's when we used guns for hunting and we ate everything we shot.
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Whether you agree or not, I was certainly not nitpicking. I noticed immediately and was certainly not looking to criticize.

Nitpicking: looking for small or unimportant errors or faults, especially in order to criticize unnecessarily.

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