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What are your thoughts? I'm very interested to here what others think, but I don't see how this could be anything other than PMD. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Thinking small clip or incomplete planchet. Thanks, Doug.
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Thank you Spence and Halo1st! this should be interesting!  |
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Both sides same place would PMD. it does have the appearance of a clip, if it was only on the obverse. Trying to figure what may have caused this to be that way, it is definitely a post strike even tho...? Squeezed between two rounded edged, almost like taking pipe over the end of a visegrip pliers...   Edited by Crazyb0
10/18/2017 9:01 pm
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Appears to be a very small clip.
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Just to add a little to this discussion...
My understanding of the flan creation step in minting is that a flat sheet is stamped with a circular die thus removing a round planchet. If the die is located too close to the edge, then there will be a clipped edge. This part should be roughly flat and perpendicular to the faces. Another way to get a clipped edge is if one coin doesn't eject properly and the next coin is party struck over that first coin.
I don't see any evidence of either of these on the OP's coin. Rather, it looks to me like a normal coin edge with two areas abraded at the periphery of the coin. It looks to me like some of the metal from these two abraded areas has ended up being smushed onto the edge. As I'm still learning, please let me know if I'm missing something. Thx!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Very interesting coin. I would like to hear Coop's opinion on this one. I'm undecided.
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As I'm still learning, please let me know if I'm missing something. Thank you Spence! That is exactly why I became a member of CFF, to learn! I have already learned a lot here and still have much, much, much more to learn. I admit though, sometimes it can become very over whelming (outside of the forum) with al the research of every aspect of coin collecting and the working of the mints machinery, what causes DD's, MD's etc. There is a variable plethora of knowledgeable experts in every category who's input is most valuable and I feel blessed to be here with willing folks passing down their years of experience!! Thank you all!  |
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It's a small rim clip, not PMD.  The pressure during striking pushes the metal outward and with very small clips, the metal will actually make contact with the collar. However, there is not enough metal to create a full rim. On this one, I see a tapered rim and also some slight Blakesley Effect opposite the clip on the obverse. It appears as a slightly "flattened" rim SE of the date/mm. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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This is not PMD. This is a guinuine small Clipped Planchet. I can see the Blakesley Effect on the opposite rim. Nice find. Errers and Varietys.
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10/19/2017 12:09 am
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Thank you everybody! I have just spent the last few hours reading all about how a coin is clipped and what the Blakesley effect is. Looking at this coin again, SE of the date I can see that there is some Blakesley effect. Tomorrow I will post some more pics with close up of said area. As I am still learning, I wasn't aware of the Blakesley effect other wise I would have looked for it. My apologies.  Stay tuned!  |
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No apology necessary. That's what we're here for, just like someone else was there for me to bring up the Blakesley Effect. I knew nothing about this hobby before but, have been here for nearly a year now. I've learned so much since then. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
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Thank spruett001! This one got me thinking that if I researched what I think the issue of the coin may be first, I would of known what and where to photograph. Just a little personal insight  |
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Quote:It's a small rim clip, not PMD. The pressure during striking pushes the metal outward and with very small clips, the metal will actually make contact with the collar. However, there is not enough metal to create a full rim. On this one, I see a tapered rim and also some slight Blakesley Effect opposite the clip on the obverse. It appears as a slightly "flattened" rim SE of the date/mm.  Nice find! |
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It looks like a small clip to me. Nice find! |
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