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How Unknown Tokens Were Identified In 1983. We Have Come A Long Way.

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I recently had coffee with some old time coin collectors, and one gentleman described what he had to do in 1983 to identify an unknown token, which turned out to be an identification tag for a bale of cloth sent to the far east, made by the Bradford Dyer's Association.

He had to make a pencil rubbing, which he sent to a British numismatic journal, where his request was published. Some people wrote back to him with the correct identification, and he in turn wrote back to the journal where the answer was published.

Elapsed time, 6 months.

So, if we have a question for the CCF and don't get an answer in 6 hours, let us not get that upset.
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Wow! Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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Immediate or instantaneous replies are an unfortunate drain on that word patience.
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My father who was a collector died in 1967. I have some of his "undecided" coins, still in those 2 x 2 manilla envelopes you can't seem to get today.
One envelope had on the front, Italian?
And on the reverse, a full description of a really obscure 142something coin from the South of Italy. (It's in the bank, I'll dig it out next week if my memory doesn't improve)
And of course with all of the technology available today, PDFs, forums, on-line libraries, and digital archives it's easy for me to say that he was correct.

But, how the *%$* did collectors half a century ago get it so right?
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But, how the *%$* did collectors half a century ago get it so right?

Slowly, and patiently.

I had something of a taste of what it must have been like. Back in 1999, I purchased this coin from Trebizond. It was poorly identified on the 2x2 I bought it in. I didn't have a copy of the Sear Byzantine catalogue and when I bought one shortly afterwards, I found that Trebizond coins weren't considered "Byzantine" enough for inclusion. I didn't have any internet back then, either, and if I had I probably wouldn't have been able to find the info I needed. So I did my research the old fashioned way.

Neither my physical copy of the Encyclopedia Britannica nor the CD version of Grolier's had even have a list of Trebizond emperors I could look up. So I went to the university library to find books on Trebizond. The library had catalogues of ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine coins, none of which included Trebizond of course. I finally found a pretty good book, which mentioned the coins and the inscriptions the emperors put on them. From this, I finally managed to ID the coin properly, as a silver asper of Grand Comnenus John II. The whole process took me a couple of months of during-lunchtime searches.
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