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Hey guys,
tomorrow is Halloween so I just wanted to start a fun thread.
So what busted myths or ideology about ancient coins did you believe in before started collecting ancients or as you began collecting ancients?


So back in the day before I started collecting ancients, I watched this weird episode of this Chinese historical drama (which I can no longer find), that showed "ancient rebels" poisoning the coin supply to capture the capital without killing any of of their soldiers. So for a long time I always thought that all ancient stuff was poisoned or cursed by someone in the past and would not buy them. ...... Fast forward several years and now I know ancient people might of poisoned the food supply to kill their enemy but not their $$$, it took me a while to get it.

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Like many non-collectors I assumed the older an object the more expensive it should be.

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Myth: All ancient coins are genuine, especially the gold and silver ones.
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Myth: All ancient coins are genuine, especially the gold and silver ones.


Myth: All ancient coins are fake.
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Myth (dangerous misconception): All fakes of ancients are cast. If it's struck, you're safe.
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Myth: The fabled cursed cistophoric tet of Cleopatra causes all of its owners to die mysteriously from a cobra bite.

In truth, it is usually an asp bite. Big difference.
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Ancient coins have to be expensive.
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The "expensive" myth was one that blocked my entry into the hobby for a long time. As a YN, I was obsessed with the oldest coins I could get, and tried to hard to convince my parents to let me buy a $10 Roman (probably a LRB) at a coin show they took me to. I was talked out of it, and would not own an ancient coin until 2 years ago.

I wish I had gotten into the scene before prices started to surge. I just barely missed cheap Kushan coins, and in 2000/2001 I apparently (according to Wildwinds) could have gotten some excellent Severan or Antonine denarii for $10-20... $50-$150 coins today.
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I thought that only museums have ancient coins.. lol
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I feel like this should also be posted in the main forum, for anyone that might be interested in collecting ancients but are hesitant because of some of these myths. Not everyone visits here or even knows that CCF has an ancients forum.
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I feel like this should also be posted in the main forum, for anyone that might be interested in collecting ancients but are hesitant because of some of these myths.


Good idea.
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I just barely missed cheap Kushan coins
I missed my chance for a $10 Kushan in 2011 as well. I have some supposedly Kushan coins now, but they're all badly cleaned and probably unidentifiable.

Actually, I should check - it might well still be there today. That shop was really bad at updating its inventory.
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Myth: Ancient coins only circulated in the states/kingdoms/empires/regions where they were minted. I find it fascinating how far away from their origins Hellenic tetradrachms, dirhams, and various other types of ancient coins circulated and were copied by local coiners.
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Myth you hear all the time. "An ancient coin is worth what someone is willing to pay for it." Most are actually common enough they trade in very tight ranges in a real auction that starts low with no reserve. And some are so common they trade like bullion and might as well be listed on the stock exchange. I mean any of us in a coin show, if someone has a silver Siglos or Miletos Lion / star, or Kyzikos Lion / Boar you know what to offer give or take a tight range based on how centered it is and how fine.
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"Prices of ancient coins tend to go up."
Many collectors who have been collecting for a few years think prices have gone up in the last few years, and imagine they have gone up a lot over decades. This is mostly not the case.

How can the collector be wrong? He experienced it!

The explanation for the erroneous impression about prices is not so much that prices have gone up, but that the quality standards of the collector have gone up and higher quality coins always did cost more. At first, the idea of a 1700 year old ancient is so amazing that $30 for a Gordian III seems fine. Then, after they have a few coins from the era, they know more about quality. When they look at Gordian III coins the ones that seem desirable are higher quality than the ones they bought at first. Yes, the price of a Gordian III desirable to him has gone up. However, if he would look back at the one he first bought he would see that coins of the same quality cost the same.

Of course, there are some exceptions. I admit the very highest grade coins have gone up. If a coin type was desirable years ago for condition or historical interest, the increase for the very highest grades is substantial. The increase for coins of historical interest without top condition does not exist.

There are many types, even whole series, that cost less than they did two decades ago. Some series, say late Roman bronzes of Valentinian and later, are so common that $20 coins are very available. In the 1990's, when we were buying from paper catalogs, the effort in photographing assembling, printing, mailing, accepting phone orders, etc. made a common excellent coins worth $20 regardless of the fact they could be bought by the hundreds for a few bucks each. The dealer had to charge $20 to pay for his time and make any profit at all. Now it is so much easier to sell ancient coins using the web that, if wholesale has gone up somewhat, the effort to sell them has gone down and the price has actually dropped.

Maybe you have heard of some particular coin with a price that is much higher than it was a few years ago. Maybe you bought a coin that you are convinced would cost more now. That would be cherry-picked information. I have all the old CNG catalogs and sometimes they mention in a current auction that they sold the coin before in auction x, lot y. I often look up the old PR. More than half the time the PR is less now.

You should collect ancient coins because you love them. It is a hobby. Enjoy your time with them. But, don't think of coins as an investment. Most don't go up.
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I believed that all but a handful of ancient coins found went to museums, that they're all extremely rare and that the few that were privately available all cost in the six figures. Oh and I also believed that any ancient coin you might buy at a reasonable price is obviously a souvenir/replica/outright fake. (Actually, this was not only about ancient coins. When I started to collect I decided I wouldn't try buying anything older than 1900 since it wouldn't be available anyway. When I realised I could buy a genuine Roman coin I immediately did it , now I have two of them).
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