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I thought it was pretty clear from the quoted passage of the guide book that CoinCollector2012 was correct about these threads being anti-counterfeiting measures.
The quoted passage indicates that these measures were implemented with the Fourth series of face designs which started with the 1869 series and also includes the 1880 series.
So, these are red and blue silk threads that are embedded into the paper.
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Interesting - learned something new again on CCF!
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Well, the security point is understood. I'm just perplexed as to why they saw fit to add two lines across the entire bills, in addition to the random thread bits.
I guess folks can take this posting as an adviso if they plan on getting one of these 1880s, but I was really curious if anyone else actually owned bills with these features.
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There is undoubtedly more to the story that the short line in the guide book indicated.
In looking at various pictures from past Heritage Auctions, it seems that only the series 1880, blue serial number, large brown seal bills implemented the silk threads in this manner. All of the other series look like the threads were included as short random threads throughout the paper.
Edit: Just saw that your picture of the $1 bill was a red serial number. So, strike my above comment about blue serial numbers only. It looks like it had to do with the large brown seal on the right type of note.
Edited by BadDog
11/02/2017 7:46 pm
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I have a 1880 $1 in A VF35 EPQ holder with the straight horizontal line. I've noticed it, but never really thought about it. Just assumed it was part of the series.
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My series 1886 notes also have the line. Here's an example from the $10.  |
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I have to say, I thought it was something on a scanner bed at first but looking at my National currency note, the reverse has a line on it like these have. Never noticed this before either. You can see a faint line through the forehead on the front and then easily see the rest and it is more obvious on the back at the same latitude.  |
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Interestingly, after taking a look at my 1880 $1&2, they both have the lines as well. They both have the large brown seal. Both notes have done their time in circulation, but the $2 shows hard folds and even tears along the horizontal lines. Could it be that these areas are more prone to damage? I don't know but maybe the BEP used these lines as a counterfeiting detterent but realized they were prone to ripping, hence why they aren't on later notes. Just a hypothesis but very interesting.
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That's a wild-looking signature on the brownback $5, TNG! It's worth buying the bill just for that.
Do the folks that noticed the lines also see a 2nd line. I.e., one red (top) and one blue (lower)?
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I do on both of the notes.
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I know nothing of older bills, but just thought are those silk threads? Too straight, would have broken or twisted upon implementation. Seems those lines are inking for some reason. Random security or as noted, ripping and replacement of halves, mint only wanted to pay for one replacement. Weren't the pieces returned to issuing bank?
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It's a long shot, but I sent an email to the BEPs Historical Research Center asking if they could shed any light on this. In the remote chance that I get a positive response, I'll post it here.
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I also sent an email to a friend asking about the lines.
His name is Derek and he owns the uspapermoney.info website, he's a great source of information.
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This should be interesting.
And for sure that sig on the NBN $5 is a killer.
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11/03/2017 5:48 pm
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