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ID Of Possible Ancient Coin

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 Posted 11/17/2017  2:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ecco to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi!

Can anyone give an ID of this one

Thanks

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 Posted 11/17/2017  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The flan looks cast, the edges are too rounded off in the cracks, details look inaccurate especially the obv around bust, that's gibberish. I'd say it's a fake, tourist copy.?
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 Posted 11/17/2017  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would help to take it out of the capsule and take better pictures.
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 Posted 11/17/2017  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ecco, that is an interesting piece. I can't decide whether I agree with@finn about the gibberish on the obv though. If you disregard the annulets (for example if they are PMD), then it looks like an inscription with _NTAE or something similar. Better pics would help, but this may be one for @BobL.
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 Posted 11/18/2017  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ecco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will get back to you with some better pictures.

I would be very suprised if this is a tourist copy.
It is part of a Collection Set which is called something like "2000 years of Coin History" and includes coins from all centuries. Sadly it do not have any documentation. Coins include The Widows Mite, Antoninianus of Gordian III, Sasanian dirham and many more.

This one, though, I have never seen before
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 Posted 11/18/2017  06:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ecco, is there any direction that you can get us started with this specific coin? For example, does it list a specific century that they claim it come from? Narrowing down the possibilities could be super-helpful.
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 Posted 11/18/2017  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ecco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, sorry, Spence.
No more info. Maybe the better pictures can help
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 Posted 11/18/2017  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pendrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did not see a size or weight but it could be a very abused barbarous radiate.
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16-17mm
1,9 grams
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 Posted 11/19/2017  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pendrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi-
What you have is "Barbarous Radiate" made probably about 270AD or so. On your coin the radiate crown is off the flan, but the standard blundered legends and crude reverse type are easy to see. If you google barbarous radiate you will find lots of examples.

"Barbarous radiates are imitations of the antoninianus, a type of coin issued during the Roman Empire, which are so named due to their crude style and prominent radiant crown worn by the emperor. Barbarous radiates were issued privately primarily during the Crisis of the Third Century in the western provinces. They are not generally regarded as forgeries since they were smaller than standard issues and probably functioned as small change."
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 Posted 11/19/2017  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ecco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Pendrak
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Harshly over cleaned, but I think I agree on barbarous--you can sort of see the radiate crown on the portrait.

I'd be curious to know what reverse this is supposed to copy? The portrait shows a long, scraggly beard, which indicated a copy of Tetricus or Victorinus (or a Schematized approximation of either/both). The reverse clearly shows two figures, one large and one small - usually indicative of the small Emperor with Jupiter or another deity. Tetricus and Victorinus only issued a small handful of such coins, all apparently rare because I can't find an image of them anywhere. This could be a mule of another type, or even an original invention. It warrants further investigation at any rate.

Curious, what were the other coins in the set?
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 Posted 11/21/2017  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ecco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your input, Finn

Here are the other coins (difficult to get good pictures With the capsules on) :


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 Posted 11/24/2017  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svnhson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice collection! Good mix of denominations and origins. Do you know what ruler minted the Sasanian coin?
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