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Pillar of the Community
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Goo-gone consists of naphtha with a touch of citrus oil added to hide it's nastiness.
Hard to imagine it passing the sniff test without a final rinse in pure acetone,a distillate like that mixed with citrus oil will not evaporate without a trace.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Acetone is highly volatile and evaporates completely without leaving any detectable chemical trace. Any paint or home improvement store carries acetone of sufficient purity - which is to say, 100% pure acetone plus legally-mandated Denatonium Benzoate as a bitterant in proportion of <10ppm - for numismatic use. If you had a genuine clue about it, you'd already know this.
You will not be allowed to spread disinformation without being challenged, canadian-varieties. And I'm not surprised that you're using Goo-Gone on your coins; it's in keeping with your business practices.
I strongly urge anyone reading not to simply take my word at this. Go out and research it yourself. You don't even have to leave Coin Community, or you certainly could, because the same points are discussed at all the other coin fora.
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Pillar of the Community
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Ssuperddave...you're the one peddling disinformation anyone can find examples of copper coin patina altered by acetone soaking or dipping...those examples are plentiful and easy to find... Zonad gave his coin an acetone bath and destroyed it forever...but it's PRETTY and has a PCGS "details" bodybag some coins get a nice "purple" hue from acetone... maybe you're into that sort of thing.. some get a dull hazy look - you just never know what you'll get... sure...90% of coins will be fine...but that other 10%...wow! that was unexpected! http://goccf.com/t/95086&whichpage=...882%2Ctripleleading newbies off a cliff is not very noble, but I guess it's in keeping with your business and ethical practices Edited by canadian-varieties
11/22/2017 01:26 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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An excellent albeit expensive alternative to acetone is a product called "Koinsolv" .
Removes PVC , tape and the like . Available from Wizard Coin Supply and others.
Goo Gone, has its place ( ie removing price stickers from slabs or tape from an old Silver Dollar
that was taped to an old Xmas card.) but I wouldn't recommend it for Coin restoration.
To the OP nice pick up on the Large Cent and a pretty fair restoration!
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Quote:Ssuperddave...you're the one peddling disinformation anyone can find examples of copper coin patina altered by acetone soaking or dipping...those examples are plentiful and easy to find... Zonad gave his coin an acetone bath and destroyed it forever...but it's PRETTY and has a PCGS "details" bodybag some coins get a nice "purple" hue from acetone... maybe you're into that sort of thing.. some get a dull hazy look - you just never know what you'll get... sure...90% of coins will be fine...but that other 10%...wow! that was unexpected! http://goccf.com/t/95086&whichpage=...882%2Ctripleleading newbies off a cliff is not very noble, but I guess it's in keeping with your business and ethical practices All anyone has to do to understand how wrong you are is look at the data for themselves. It's not like discussion in great detail, on every coin forum on the Internet, is lacking. I say again, don't take me at my word. Go see for yourselves. |
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Pillar of the Community
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How many acetone cleaned coins have you gentlemen sent to and cleared with PCGS? i hate to tell you but some of the coins you bought from me have been cleaned with acetone and you sent them for slabbing and they passed as I see them for sale by you on ebay. you talk to me like I dont know what I am doing and treat us like children. but the fact is I probably have been collecting longer than you. and first tried acetone on coppers in the early 80's I have tried goo gone as well but I usually only use it when there is stubborn crud on the coin. i might not have "the finest large cent variety collection in the world" because I dont have the money you have but I do feel I have done well for what I have done so dont say a coin is ruined without seeing it for yourself,,,,,,, i agree zonads coin does look cleaned but I doubt that acetone was to blame there was probably something else used as well if I had only posted the darker pics and you didnt look up the ebay sale you would have never known this coin had an acetone bath |
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Pillar of the Community
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Gidjit, how pure is your acetone? Did you get it at your local hardware store? no we get it in large barrels at work as we use it to clean aluminum prior to welding for class A surfaces(show side) of aftermarket parts for toyota and they dont seem to have a problem with it either |
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Pillar of the Community
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[quote]Take this from the person who has the FINEST Large cent variety collection in the world (yes, me).[quote]
Wow! Now I am so impressed! Can I have your autograph?
You should change your moniker to "Billy the Kid" or "Wild Bill" as you are a legend in your own mind.
I've been watching from the side line for sometime and I must say I am sick and tired of you taking cheap jabs at people,some of which do not even visit this site anymore.
For someone who is a "Doctor," you behave like a child in grade 2. Seriously, grow up.
Have a great day Willy. :)
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11/22/2017 11:14 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Take this from the person who has the FINEST Large cent variety collection in the world (yes, me). Can you really claim that if your overall rank is #2? How many other LC variety collectors don't bother with a set registry? I agree with everything that SsuperDdave has said throughout this topic. I don't use acetone on every coin that comes my way but, I have used it often on coins of many different compositions that I felt could possibly benefit from it. I even used it on a DCAM silver proof without detrimental effects. I have not experienced acetone altering the toning or patina of a coin. It may reveal toning by removing the organic layer of build-up covering it. I would never use Goo Gone on a coin. Speaking of purity...  Quote:i hate to tell you but some of the coins you bought from me have been cleaned with acetone and you sent them for slabbing and they passed as I see them for sale by you on ebay. *mic drop* In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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11/23/2017 12:11 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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"Can you really claim that if your overall rank is #2? How many other LC variety collectors don't bother with a set registry?"
That PCGS set that's ranked #2 all time, has maybe 20 coins of my 225 large cent variety collection (that's 225 different large cent varieties).
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Pillar of the Community
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You know that feeling when someone unintentionally ruins their reputation whilst trying to seem clever and they don't even realize it? Its actually pretty darn funny.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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That PCGS set that's ranked #2 all time, has maybe 20 coins of my 225 large cent variety collection (that's 225 different large cent varieties). The required total is 39 items for the set and your registry is less than 77% complete and #2 "All-Time Finest" as well as "Current Finest". If you didn't bother to add new additions to it, then don't site it as a comparison to others' sets. What exactly are you trying to prove? If I pulled up the link and it said #1, then okay, good job. The real problem is being a proponent of using Goo Gone on coins over pure acetone. I completely do not understand your logic there. If you have facts (and not just schoolyard mudslinging) then please reveal them. Comparative pics would also be nice. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Pillar of the Community
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"real problem is being a proponent of using Goo Gone on coins over pure acetone"
no...I'm a proponent of not cleaning the coin at all, as should you be, if you weren't so obsessed with insults.
That coin looked fine as it was. It seems to look fine after acetone but now there's a big questionmark if it will pass PCGS or NOT.
There was no need to take that risk by cleaning the coin with acetone. Objectively, it was an unintelligent, unnecessary risk. if it was a $10 vicky, fine.
But this coin is one in thousands in this condition - if its ruined, it's a big loss...If you were honest, you should both have been agreeing that the coin should have been left alone, but neither of you are honest.
as for goo-gone vs acetone, if you want to play that game, I will find you a dozen pictures/testimonials of acetone altering the patina of a copper coin.
and you go ahead and find pictures of coins altered by goo-gone (hint: there are none). Does that prove goo-gone is better? I never said it was. I'm not pretending to conduct randomized control trials like you are.
but theorizing it's a "dangerous chemical" because it removes chewing gum borders on imbecilic...read the safety data sheets..and again...show me ONE coin with patina altered by goo-gone...acetone - I'm sorry but there are bad experiences and bad outcomes out there - uncommon, depends on conditions, humidity, light, whatever...there are people who damaged their coins, sorry.
the real problem is that you are so obsessed with insults, you dont actually care about this topic one bit, and it shows
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11/23/2017 06:36 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1101 Posts |
You have found a very nice coin gidjit, and I think you did a nice job with the restoration! Enjoy it!
Today is Thanksgiving Day in the U.S. It reminds me that we should not only be thankful for the blessings we receive, but also for the blessings of others.
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Valued Member
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^^^ Well said Phil. How about we put the petty cat fight to the side and everyone enjoy their day?
Sound like a plan? OK good I am glad you all agree with me :)
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