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New Member
Russian Federation
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Hello everyone! Can anyone tell me if this coin is authentic or some kind of copy? It's just that I've never seen 1780 B 1 Reichsthaler before:   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Appears genuine to me. Also has the typical weakness of strike and dull gray color that is often seen on these coins.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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At the bottom edge of both obverse and reverse you can see the casting sprue on the edges. I'm sure a photo of the edge would confirm this as a fake.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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At the bottom edge of both obverse and reverse you can see the casting sprue on the edges. I'm sure a photo of the edge would confirm this as a fake. Interesting, I thought it to be a line running along part of the edge design. Kind of like on this coin: https://www.ebth.com/items/7254484-...-thaler-coinZoom in on the third photo, right side of the edge. Now I'm really curious to see the edge of the OP coin. |
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Valued Member
Germany
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I am sure that this coin is genuine. it is just a damaged Thaler, that shows some planchet errors (quite common for coins from that era) and what appears to be the casting sprue is indeed just part of the edge design ("Laubrand").
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Certainly appears like an authentic, damaged piece to me
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1962 Posts |
As a general note, there were a decent amount of contemporary counterfeits of this era Prussian coinage.
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New Member
 Russian Federation
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Thank you very much everyone. You helped a lot.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1949 Posts |
@Realeswatcher
Have you found there to many contemporary counterfeits of full Thalers? I have ended up with many fractional Thaler contemporary counterfeits from this era, but have not seen nearly as many Thalers?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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jdmern, definitely many of the fractionals out there (1/3T, 1/6T...) but have also seen some full thalers as well. Of course looking for an example to show, I can't find one of this exact Friedrich II type, but I have seen them in varying alloys. ColonialJohn has a soft spot for these continental Europe CCs... either he or obviously Bob could add more on them. The dull grey look, crude rims, and deep scratches on this piece make me want to say this could be one. Detail is fairly accurate, though... not certain. Here are a few from the 1790s... and update, did find one (crude, though) of this type - a 1785:     Edited by realeswatcher
12/05/2017 2:25 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@realeswatcher That's interesting the difference of opinion based on dull grey appearance and crude rims. With silver from Prussia (and some other states) throughout a large swathe of the 18th century, I take both of these things as a sign of a genuine circulated piece.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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hi pratamishus, can you show a photo of the edge? this is crucial for an answer to your question
the B between 17and 80 stands for Breslau, A on similar coins means the piece was struck in Berlin
Fredericus is the famous Frederick II 'The Great', king of Prussia from 1740-1786
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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the photo below is from a 17 A 81 type (Berlin) the characteristic grooved edge is visible (to some extent) I do not see it on the piece of this thread  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'd remark that the couple deep gouges at the rim and deep scratches on the surfaces suggest that when it was circulating it was regarded as suspicious enough that testing was done to see if it was silver over a base metal.
Colligo ergo sum
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Valued Member
Germany
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You can clearly see the edge structure (so-called 'Laubrand') on the 2nd image in the first post (bottom part of the coin). Still pretty sure that this one is genuine!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice example of a contemporary counterfeit of this design:  |
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