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Do You Want To Produce High Quality Images Of Your Coins?

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 Posted 05/15/2008  08:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi Everyone,

I am doing a little market research and hope that you can help me.

I am a professional coin photographer and have, over the last few years, developed a unique lighting system which gives wonderful results and makes the whole process of photographing coins easier.

You can see some samples at http://www.flickr.com/photos/jansta...05071886295/

I would like to know if any of you guys would be interested in buying this kit if it were available? I am not sure of the final retail price yet, but it will be fairly expensive at about $3,000.

I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks,

Jan
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 Posted 05/15/2008  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have some nice pictures but for someone to spend 3,000 pounds on a system is quite the investment and would take a lot of coins sold to get a return on that investment. Margins on coins can be low to start off with unless you find a hidden gem, so I think the average person is going to shy away from this. Here in the states, we can get a digital camera, camera stand and lightbox all for under $500 total. Hope this helps.
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 Posted 05/15/2008  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like those photos. But for USD$3000 you still need the right optics to get that result.
I have the optics, but my lighting isn't quite up to par. That said, I still do OK photos:

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 Posted 05/15/2008  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$6000 is more than any hobbyist is willing to spend when you can get 90% of those results for $500 or so. Especially when I can think of many coins that I would rather spend the extra $5500 on. That would be more of a lighting setup for a professional photographer(someone that actually makes money from taking photos). Your pics do look very nice though
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 Posted 05/15/2008  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With all due respect, I've demonstrated on this forum how to achieve a result like below with $1000 worth of camera and $20 worth of lighting:

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Coin photography is not that difficult, my friend.
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 Posted 05/15/2008  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Guys, I meant $3,000 not pounds. Must have hit the wrong button.
Thanks for the comments so far.
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 Posted 05/15/2008  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jstar...I've got a hunch that your system, though apparently very good, will have a limited market among coin collectors. Anyone willing to spend about $3000 for just a lighting system will already be heavy into photography, and will likely not NEED your system unless he/she needs that extra 1-5% improvement that it would bring to a well-outfitted, competent photographer. I'm sure that I can't match your photography skills or equipment, but I've got about $4500 invested in camera and several excellent lenses. I just couldn't afford to spend another $3,000 just to take better coin pics. To spend that amount I would want to be getting something that would be useful for many different types of photography.

At the other end of the scale, you have guys who try to use their cell phone cameras to take coin pictures! These folks are so far from your target market you'll never even get them to think about your system, much less fork over that kind of money.

Your market, at that price, is going to professionals, who want something that is fast, so they don't have to use a lot of time setting up for every shot.

Without knowing more about your system, is it adaptable to other objects/collectibles? I'm thinking many peopl photograph jewelry, guns, and other small to large, shiny objects!

Just a thought.
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 Posted 05/15/2008  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a resounding no at £3000 or $3000. Try 3000 Rupees and maybe then I would consider it. I collect coins not light bulbs and $3000 is almost triple my yearly coin budget.
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 Posted 05/15/2008  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Hunter. My main target group is auction houses and dealers who produce auction catalogues or illustrated lists. Also the academic community who are publishing books and sylloges. I just thought I'd test the water in this forum to see what you all think, from the collector's point of view.

The unit is adaptable for other areas including forensic photography. It will cost me a lot of money to get this off the ground hence testing this market. If it will appeal to a greater audience, then it might be worth pursuing.

Thanks again to you and everyone who has replied so far.
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From a collector's point of view I doubt your going to find anyone that is going to pay that much. Auction houses and major coin sellers might.
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SD--great photo! I'll check out your lighting techniques, thanks!

If it's a quick turn-key solution that provides a cost-effective alternative to hiring a pro who charges $200+ per hr, then I could see that paying for itself.
That said, I think any boxed lighting package would require calibration to a dSLR (another expense), which would still involve the expertise of a professional like you.
For that reason, I would outsource any volume commercial work to a professional where I could get a group rate--and avoid equipment overhead.
Just my opinion from hiring photographers for product shots.
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 Posted 05/15/2008  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We were debating whether or not to curtail this thread; it had the chance of turning into a dogpile (even if I provoked it ). You guys are distinguishing yourselves by keeping it professional, and it's obvious that potential commercial uses are certainly within the realm of possibility even for a system of this expense.

Points to discuss, if you can, Jstar: Adaptability to varying compositions and luster levels, portability/lack thereof, adjustability for subject size differences.
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 Posted 05/15/2008  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can think of a few coin dealers over here that could use a better system for coin photos,
but these days it's all about maximizing profits and minimizing overheads. Apparently a small average
photo still produces sales. In any case I think some dealers don't want the photos too good unless
you see a scratch on that $200,000 coin! As SuperDave once said, once you reach a certain level of resolution
and expertise anything below MS66 looks like road kill.

Then your going to need the skill to "drive" it right? I'm not sure I've seen a system that is set and forget
for perfect photos every time without knowing what your doing. As mentioned above with a little skill it's
possible to get 95% the photo for a couple of hundred anyway so it's a bit of a catch 22.
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 Posted 05/16/2008  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay Guys. Thanks for your input. I've got the message! Thanks for your time. Bye.
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 Posted 06/09/2008  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zaggy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd be curious to know what makes the system tho? Is it a FFL system or Scanner plate solution, etc?
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I just bought a 6 Foot rope light, I attached it to the top of a light box, the lights are a little dim, I'm going to try it in a pitch black room and see how it turns out. I figure that if I have an equal amount of light surrounding the coin, there should be no shadows. (HOPE HOPE)
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