1832 1/2 Penny - Ns-3A4 - New Sub-Variety ?

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TerryT Pillar of the Community Canada 818 Posts	Posted 12/12/2017 6:10 pm Got on ebay in 2000. Never even saw Canadian colonial tokens before that. Starting buying a lot of el cheapos, and got hooked on Tiffins and 1832's. I had the 2000 token book and eventually found something that was different and I asked about it on a now defunct coin site, and it was discussed as an error only. It was the die clash of "TOKEN" on the 1832 imitation halfpenny, NS-3A2. Soon after, the 2010 Charlton edition came out and listed this as NS-3A4, with the die clash listed as the difference from A2. Drat, the book was in the works when I had inquired about it so someone found the variety before me. I search all the time for these and have come up with 7, the costliest was $27 ! I marked all as NS-3A4 on the 2x2's. Recently I was having another look and realized that on 2 of the 7, the die clash was different from the one shown in the Charlton book. The original clash has the ghost KOT to the left sides of TIA The 2 I found have the ghost K under the T and the other ghost OT to the right of IA. The 2 clashes are obviously different so could this be reason enough to designate this as a new variety or a sub-variety, changing the listings to NS-3A4 and A5, or 3A4a and 3A4b ? I'd settle for a sub, extra mayo. Charlton listed clash in 1st picture, different one in 2nd. Edited by TerryT 12/13/2017 5:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff

DBM Pillar of the Community Canada 9862 Posts	Posted 12/13/2017 6:26 pm Cool and interesting find! A die clash,if that's what it is,is not a variety,it is an error. I do not have a recent Charlton token catalogue, but if they are listing a clash as a variety they are wrong. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website Report this Post to the Staff
TerryT Pillar of the Community Canada 818 Posts	Posted 12/14/2017 12:18 am Yes it's an error but many errors become varieties (i.e 1964 EWL 5 cents, 1949 50 cents Hoof over 9 and many more). I think that when the error repeats on more than 1 coin and there's interest in finding one that it MAY then be referred to as a variety. Edited by TerryT 12/14/2017 12:21 am Report this Post to the Staff
ClusterCoin Valued Member Australia 136 Posts	Posted 08/04/2025 05:49 am Sorry to revive an old thread, but it seemed best to continue this topic of clash versus new variety. I'm a collector in Australia and have not had any Canadian tokens before this one. The SCOTIA on the obverse is curious as it has letters struck behind it, and they look very similar to a photo posted earlier in this thread. The amount of wear on my coin is much lower , so it's not the same coin making its way to Australia eight years later. The strong similarity of the 'C', 'T' and especially the T behind the 'A' are, pardon the pun, striking. Hopefully someone with more knowledge about these tokens can provide more info. Edited by ClusterCoin 08/04/2025 05:53 am Report this Post to the Staff
1960NYGiants Pillar of the Community United States 666 Posts	Posted 08/04/2025 11:17 am @ClusterCoin - nice find! It matches the NS-3A4 example in the Charlton catalogue. @TerryT's 2nd coin is from a different die pair. And I agree that they are errors vs. varieties. Both are contemporary counterfeits. I would not be surprised to find clashes from all of the die pairs. Though these two are exceptionally strong. LM of RCNA Member of CATC Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187544 Posts	Posted 08/04/2025 12:08 pm Very interesting. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
ClusterCoin Valued Member Australia 136 Posts	Posted 08/04/2025 8:44 pm Quote: Both are contemporary counterfeits. I would not be surprised to find clashes from all of the die pairs. Though these two are exceptionally strong. Ah, I think I misread the initial post and didn't notice my coin is already catalogued, and it's the second photo the OP was referring to when asking about whether it's an error or variety. I don't have access to the Charlton catalogue. Report this Post to the Staff
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