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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Obv scratched through T/Y, star 3 to lips, and below eye, but I think that in hand those scratches are probably much less prominent. Deeper scratch at S13 obverse and on reverse a hit on N in CENT, below bow, and at T in UNITED. I do not think they warrant a details grade. I would grade it VF20-VF25 TPG. This is a late die state with lots of crumbling around the denticles, although you can see that it was still a solid strike from those worn dies. Soak it in Verdi-Care for awhile and see what happens. If it's still too light, stick it in olive oil for a few months. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Thanks, your comments are very helpful and spot on. When I saw the mark from S3 to lips, it looked raised to me so I thought die crack instead of scratch. Does to look raised or incuse to folks?
Almost looks like someone etched a pair of glasses on liberty.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/13/2017 08:19 am
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1809 is, by far, the easiest date to find in that VF or better grade. Nothing wrong with that if you can find a nice one at a good price.
You usually come up with some great coins at great prices, but I think this one is an unhappy exception.
This coin just has way too many small individual problems and $70 is heavy.
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Not a fan of the scratches. But I bet in hand you would barely be able to see them. VF-25 Like the color though.
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Could be a die scratch but I'd have to go look at Cohen & Manley to see if any 1809 varieties have known die scratches there.
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VF-25, and if the seller's pics are accurate, it looks problem-free. The minor scratches are not very noticeable, and that longer one does look like a die scratch, although it will be easier to tell in hand.
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Your 1809 looks like a Cohen 3 variety. I think the marks on the obverse are scratches. I don't believe the Cohen 3 has any die cracks or die scratches at those locations. It's still a nice looking Half Cent. |
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This one also came while I was away. Love it!   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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That's awesome NS...congrats!
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