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Need Help Identifying This Copper Coin - Might Be French

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 Posted 12/17/2017  9:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add steve140 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Could anyone help identifying this coin. Front of the coin indicates LUD XIIII DGFR ETNAV REX. I think it is a French Louis 4th coin. However, I cannot find anything that resembles the back of the coin. The back appears to have a date - starting with 16 - can't make out the rest of it. There is a man standing - above the date. Around the coin appears letters - might be LLKLPOS SULT LAVICTLIRE. To left of left leg horizontally is RF. on the right of the right left are 2 letters - hard to read. For some reason, I cannot upload pictures.

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 Posted 12/17/2017  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to coincommunity. Do you happen to have any photos? It will make it easier for us to identify your coin.
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 Posted 12/18/2017  12:00 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to be a Louis XIV (XIIII) jeton, but I couldn't find that exact one. This one is close:

http://www.dumez-numismatique.com/a...rticle=16201

The obverse has a different portrait and legend.

This one appears to have the same obverse, but completely different reverse:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces65377.html
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It is a jeton or Rechenpfennig, Nuremberg; the Rechenmeister's initials are on the reverse in exergue, possibly IOH for Johann Konrad Hoger, which fits the time frame of the subject depicted (1680s-1720s.)

Obv: Louis XIV, styled as Louis XIIII : LUD XIIII D G FR ET NAV REX, i.e. Louis XIV, King of France and Navarre by the Grace of God; his bust faces right.

Rev: LE REPOS SVIT LA VICTOIRE, i.e. Rest follows the victory; Victoire is seated left on the throne, her right hand resting upon the royal crown which sits on her right leg.

The reverse was a common motif following the (not so victorious) "victory" won by France with the concessions of Charles II and Leopold I at the Treaty of Ratisbon in 1684.

Since dies were reused, and copied, you can find a wide variety of muled obverse/reverse combinations, e.g. the Victoire reverse with the "Louis Le Grand" or "Louis XIV" types, with legends in Latin or French. If someone has access to Feuardent's catalogues they might be able to find a precise match and associated catalogue number.
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