Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer 300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Is This A Legit Fractional Cal Gold Piece? Value?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 5 / Views: 2,433Next Topic  
Bedrock of the Community
Earle42's Avatar
United States
10034 Posts
 Posted 12/31/2017  3:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A friend sent me the following pics. Hoping someone can tell if this is legit or not. I Spent a lot of time online trying to ID if this one is a fake or not.

No, he did not send me the weight.

I cannot find if the Indian design was used in this year or not.

What would the value of such a piece be fake or real?

Is-This-A-Legit-Fractional-Cal-Gold-Piece?--Value?
Is-This-A-Legit-Fractional-Cal-Gold-Piece?--Value?

Thanks for any help.
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
Edited by Earle42
12/31/2017 3:02 pm
Pillar of the Community
Mark1959's Avatar
7234 Posts
 Posted 12/31/2017  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know if true or not but read a post awhile ago that stated if it has a bear on it then it is a fake.
Bedrock of the Community
paralyse's Avatar
United States
12057 Posts
 Posted 12/31/2017  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a token. It may or may not contain actual gold.

Yes, most of the bear issues are not "real" fractional gold, but they may still be gold nonetheless.

A more important diagnosis is to look for the word "dollar" or its abbreviated forms "dol.", "doll." and so on. The jewelers' copies and tokens do not have this because it would pass the piece from being a token into being a counterfeit under the law.

This is a "real" 1874-dated fractional 50 cent octagonal gold issue (BG-930) from my collection, graded AU58 by PCGS. Note that the reverse features "dollar" and also "cal" -- the 1874 date is likely fantasy, and these were produced well into the 1890s and early 1900s, with varying actual gold content between 3 kt to 8-10kt. The real fractional gold issues only circulated briefly, if at all, in the late 1840s and early 1850s.

Is-This-A-Legit-Fractional-Cal-Gold-Piece?--Value?

Is-This-A-Legit-Fractional-Cal-Gold-Piece?--Value?

Is-This-A-Legit-Fractional-Cal-Gold-Piece?--Value?
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890

"Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
Pillar of the Community
thq's Avatar
United States
3343 Posts
 Posted 01/01/2018  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a token created much later than 1855.

The Indian head was not used on the early fractionals. And the value on the reverse always includes the value, either DOL or DOLLAR.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Bedrock of the Community
sel_69l's Avatar
Australia
21786 Posts
 Posted 01/01/2018  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks awfully like a jeweler's copy to me.
Because it is inside the slab and the coin cannot be checked, it also brings great doubt on the slab as well.

Actually, it is easier to produce high quality fake slabs than coins. Fake credit cards that work have proven this.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BStrauss3: I am now corrected.
Edited by sel_69l
01/01/2018 5:36 pm
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
BStrauss3's Avatar
United States
4589 Posts
 Posted 01/01/2018  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sel - you are confusing the two. OP's coin is not slabbed and doesn't have a denomination, just 1/4. Adam's coin in the one in the PCGS slab.

Edited: no probs Sir! And you are most likely correct... they were "copied" as Jewelers pieces for more years than rhey actually circulated as money!
-----Burton
50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973)
Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA
Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club
Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983)

Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
Edited by BStrauss3
01/01/2018 7:55 pm
  Previous TopicReplies: 5 / Views: 2,433Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.31 seconds to rattle this change. Forums