1987 P Lincoln Cent With Partial Collar Error Or Stiff Collar? Which One?

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Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 75012 Posts	Posted 01/02/2018 01:53 am I found this in a circulated roll of U.S. Pennies from a bank box. I was wondering if this is a Partial Collar error. Just need someone to confirm it before putting it in a non PVC coin flip and labeling it. There are 2 possibilities. One it could be a Partial Collar and two, it also could be a Stiff Collar error. But, I think it is a Partial Collar error. Errers and Varietys. Edited by Errers and Varietys 01/02/2018 01:55 am Report this Post to the Staff

Tootallious Rest in Peace United States 1559 Posts	Posted 01/02/2018 02:10 am I think it's called a partial collar AKA railroad rim E&V but I'm not %100 sure. Nice find for sure Edited by Tootallious 01/02/2018 02:14 am Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 75012 Posts	Posted 01/02/2018 02:15 am Quote: I think it's called a partial collar AKA railroad rim E&V but I'm not %100 sure. Thank you Tootallious! I got an excellence batch of coins from the bank box of U.S. Pennies, it was great! I was thinking the same thing actually. But when the sun rises and when the other sleeping CCF members wake up and log on, I want to see what they think. But Partial Collar sounds about right to me. Errers and Varietys. Edited by Errers and Varietys 01/02/2018 02:16 am Report this Post to the Staff
spru Bedrock of the Community United States 12477 Posts	Posted 01/02/2018 03:58 am Quote: But when the sun rises and when the other sleeping CCF members wake up and log on, I want to see what they think. Are you asleep now? I don't think it's a stiff collar. It may be a partial collar. There is definitely something amiss. The edge appearance does not seem to have been caused by damage. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024 Report this Post to the Staff
cookiemonster Pillar of the Community United States 1335 Posts	Posted 01/02/2018 07:36 am Can we get a pic of the whole front please. Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 75012 Posts	Posted 01/02/2018 09:23 am Spruett001, yes, I was asleep for couple hours like 5 hours at least. I might sleep in one more hour because I went to bed late. I just wanted to get all of my finds all posted on here and ready to go. I think it's a Partial Collar, but will wait still for some CCF members thoughts. It was a great batch of coins I went through. Errers and Varietys. Edited by Errers and Varietys 01/03/2018 12:44 am Report this Post to the Staff
Crazyb0 Rest in Peace 10197 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 01:10 am I'm calling it a stiff collar, the MAD is a major feature of that causing the thickness seen at 1 o'clock. Reading the description, there is evidence the collar was stuck in the halfway deployed position making it a partial but the force of a twisted hammer die caused that thick rim area. Here is a stiff collar quarter from error-ref.com: Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 75012 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 01:49 am That makes a lot of sense Crazyb0. So it is two errors into one? Those two errors (Partial Collar and Stiff Collar still confuses me a lot). Hopefully I'm understanding this. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
spru Bedrock of the Community United States 12477 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 02:55 am I was just poking at ya a little bit, E&V. I stay up pretty late. It seems there's only about an hour between when I go to sleep and when John1 starts posting. Quote: Those two errors (Partial Collar and Stiff Collar still confuses me a lot). They confuse me, as well. The pic from Error-Ref that Crazyb0 posted could be several things. It definitely doesn't nail it down to a specific error. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024 Report this Post to the Staff
Halo1st Pillar of the Community United States 2775 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 09:30 am Judging by the edge images showing a center indentation, my first thought was a possible Encased Coin at one time. I'm having a hard time or just not seeing a typical overlap associated with a partial or stiff collar. Thanks, Doug. Edited by Halo1st 01/03/2018 09:36 am Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 75012 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 1:54 pm Thank you spruett001. I knew you were just poking me around. I thought that was pretty funny. Halo1st, it isn't an Encased Cent. That ridge you are seeing is part of the feature for the error. That is the best I can do for pictures. I am wondering what Coop would think about this. I am calling out Coop for this one. I still don't know what to label it as. Errers and Varietys. Edited by Errers and Varietys 01/03/2018 2:02 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 2:12 pm Stiff Colllar: http://www.error-ref.com/?s=Stiff+Collar Partial collar search: http://www.error-ref.com/?s=partial+collar I learn more towards the partial collar. As the partial collar forced the metal flat on the obverse rim area where the collar wasn't. But that is what I see. We might need to call Mike in on this one. Report this Post to the Staff
mikediamond Pillar of the Community United States 2739 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 2:33 pm It's a partial collar error in combination with a minor misaligned die. None of the diagnostics of a stiff collar error are present, e.g. there's no thick, vertical flange on the obverse face and no rounded shoulder on the reverse face. Error coin writer and researcher. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 2:39 pm Thanks Mike. Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 75012 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 2:52 pm Thank you very much Mike and Coop! I really appreciate it Mike. You and Coop saved the day. Now I can label it and put it away in my collection. The case is now closed, but the others, feel free to comment. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Tunnioc Pillar of the Community United States 3184 Posts	Posted 01/03/2018 3:05 pm Another beauty EV Go get another box quick Report this Post to the Staff
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