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1800 Austrian 3 Kreuzer Struck Over A 6 Kreuzer

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I got a lot more than I bargained for when I won this lovely 1800-C Austrian 3 Kreuzer on ebay.

When I received the coin and examined it I saw evidence of another strike on it. After some further examination I realized that it has been struck over a 6 Kreuzer coin. The 3 Kreuzer is only a bit smaller than the 6 Kreuzer.

You can see parts of the obverse legend from the 6 Kreuzer on it and the word SECHS ("six" in German) from the reverse legend is visible below emperor's bust.

The reverse design of the double-headed Austrian eagle from the 6 Kreuzer still shows in the obverse field in front of the emperor's bust.

Can anyone shed any light on this coin?

Is an over-strike like this, with two different denominations, rare?

Here is the coin:


1800-Austrian-3-Kreuzer-Struck-Over-A-6-Kreuzer
1800-Austrian-3-Kreuzer-Struck-Over-A-6-Kreuzer

These photos show parts of the obverse and reverse legends and eagle design of the 6 Kreuzer still showing on the 3 Kreuzer:


1800-Austrian-3-Kreuzer-Struck-Over-A-6-Kreuzer
1800-Austrian-3-Kreuzer-Struck-Over-A-6-Kreuzer



1800-Austrian-3-Kreuzer-Struck-Over-A-6-Kreuzer
1800-Austrian-3-Kreuzer-Struck-Over-A-6-Kreuzer

Finally, here is an 1800 6 Kreuzer so you can see the design and legends that are struck under the 3 Kreuzer.

1800-Austrian-3-Kreuzer-Struck-Over-A-6-Kreuzer
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Don't know about rarity but oddity yes. It does appear that the smaller planchet was first struck by the larger die and corrected by being restruck in sorrect press. Quality controls were quite lacking! Lol! Should have tossed it back in the kettle for a good go-around!
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VERY unusual.
Normally, the higher denomination is struck over the lower denomination, during a revaluation of a circulating currency system.
There must have been some other reason in this case.
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Very interesting! I've not seen this before and don't really have any input, but interesting to read what others think
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Very very interesting. I try to keep track of various world overstruck coins and this is new.

Two very common Austrian overstruck coins come to mind: 1802 7 kreuzer over 1795 12 kreuzer and 1948 - 50 zinc groschen over Nazi era zinc pfennig.

Is it possible to find out what the original year is? May shed more interesting information.
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I tried to locate the date of the 6 Kreuzer with a magnifying glass, but think it is not on the flange.

I don't have my copy of "Krause/Mishler" at hand, but I think this 6 Kreuzer type was struck from 1800-1809, but that most of them were struck with a date of 1800.

I'll have to check that later.
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Found it: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5217.html

Very very interesting... I'm intrigued. I am not well versed in Austrian coinage therefore I cannot comment much.

The reason why I asked for the year is because sometimes bizarre things can happen. The year of the original planchet may be dated older than the new strike. As of why this happens, perhaps mints may try to test out some really old dies which the original planchet may appear to be dated newer.

As with all overstruck coins, I personally don't classify them as 'errors' as it requires humans to physically place 'old' coins to be struck as 'new'. Nevertheless, the uniqueness of this cannot be understated.

Thanks for showing!
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An update on this coin.

I sold it to a fellow CCF member who collects Austrian coins.
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