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1916-D Lincoln Cent - D/D NE Question

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I finally finished searching through my 1916-D "junk box." I found another mystery in the box, while searching for the Wexler D/D NE (WRPM-001).

A little background for my questions. The WRPM-001 D/D NE is itself a mystery. First, I have never seen one grading above VG. That's odd. Second, the plugged mint mark suggests a later die state. Where are the earlier die state coins? Third, there are other plugged mint mark 1916-D cents that clearly are not the WRPM-001, some with the mm punched in different locations than the WRPM-001. As background for my mystery coin, here is what I believe to be a WRPM-001 D/D NE:
1916-D-Lincoln-Cent---D/D-NE-Question

Now the mystery coin:
1916-D-Lincoln-Cent---D/D-NE-Question

. . . and a closeup of the mystery coin's mint mark:
1916-D-Lincoln-Cent---D/D-NE-Question

Questions:
1. Am I seeing things (which is definitely possible!), or is the vertical bar of the D doubled?
2. If the vertical bar of the D is doubled, does this look like a RPM?
3. If it is a RPM, is it an earlier die state of the WRPM-001? If so, where is the evidence of the top of the secondary D to the NE?
4. Or is it something new and different, possibly D/D East?

If it is something new, I have a second possible coin, although it is far too worn to be sure, and deep into shrapnel territory. Both coins, however, exhibit what I think may be a possible die marker SSE of the mint mark, next to the rim. It appears to be a die gouge. It is also readily visible on the second, much more worn, specimen. Here is a photo of the mystery coin, showing the gouge and its location in relationship to the D and the rim:
1916-D-Lincoln-Cent---D/D-NE-Question

What does everyone think? Thank you in advance for any help and thoughts.
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At first glance tho real close I dont believe the 1st and 2nd pics are from the same die. MM locations are off slightly
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Note the location of the 1 in the date. The mint marks are not in the right directions on your coin to be from the same dies.
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I agree on the mm positioning. Soooo . . . if it isn't an early die state WRPM-001, is it a new RPM?

When I look at the mm, I see (1) a clear primary mm, (2) a doubled vertical bar inside the primary mm, and (3) what appears to be a tilted mm East of the primary mm (with a very faint hint of a tilted vertical inside the primary mm, but east of the doubled vertical. Could this critter be a D/D/D East?

I'm not sure what I have here, but it's darned interesting.
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