Another 1932 Florin Any Suggestions On This One As Well Please

Not really happy with this one, either.
It appears to be a die struck fake.

It has mint luster, which should not be, with this amount of equivalent wear. (VF - British grading).
It is possible that luster can be found on the worn high points as well, although hard to see in these pictures.

The lettering, especially the "ONE", is not consistent with that on a genuine coin.

The Chinese have failed with this one as well.
Why on Earth do they bother, when we have friends here in the CCF, to help look out for these?

It is possible that is is made from genuine .925 sterling silver, (from recycled coin metal), and be of accurate weight. If this is the case, then XRF is of little help.

Needs to be removed from ebay.

What is the ebay listing ref.?

They are always on ebay and are AUD $1.50 each from a very well known Chinese website.

90% silver versions are also available from China for $25.

The imaged coin is not struck, it's cast from a spark erosion die.

Dies created by SE/EDM and other mutations of electrolysis are used in both stamping and casting.

The technology is evolving to a point whereby it's becoming difficult to discern genuine from fake without very good imaging under correct light and good magnification.

I'm new to this forum and need to figure out how to post images so I can show you all some superior fakes I grabbed from China as reference coins and they are scarily good - they would easily fool many collectors - no comparison to the fake 1932f here.

This is damaging the hobby and I'll make a few brief points: At least two prominent Australian eBayers with perfect feedback are suspect and I am going to do my best to expose them when I have absolute proof in hand.

Many people are being misled about testing their coins for silver, and the tests simply don't work.

The ice test is useless and a silver plated copper fake will melt the ice at the same rate as sterling. +_ 4%

The Neodymium magnet test is equally useless as a silver plated copper coin will slide slowly down the magnet just as a solid silver coin will - the degree of mechanical diamagnetic friction will vary a bit but few people bother there.

The ping test is somewhat useful, and smartphone apps and guitar tuners can be handy there as silver plating fails here. A database of acoustic resonance frequencies for AU coins might be handy, but afaik none exist in the public domain. Different coins all differ but coin wear has little to no effect on ring frequency as it also does not with the coin's weight.

I tried using a thermal imaging camera to observe heat coefficient absorption variance between a silver florin and a fake plated one and noticed a 5% variance which is not enough to make it a viable test.

My advice for collectors with no hi-tech toys is to get a precision digital scale to weigh the coin, and a caliper to measure diameter and width. Most China fakes fail both.

A good clear photo of both sides (not a scan) taken under microscopy is probably best.

Now I am always skeptical and use a friend's XRF analyzer or if any doubt remains I just send it off for verification.

Cheers.

Good Morning.

One has over 1,000 positive feedbacks, the other between 100-200.

The second one is simply an idiot and most won't touch his coins, but #1 is trouble and has my interest.

He is a member of this Coin Community Forum.