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Not Sure What I'm Looking At On 1958-D Cent...help!

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So I have been collecting wheat pennies for as long as I can remember and I recently found this one in my pocket change...
It is a 1958 d wheat back Lincoln Penny and at first glance I thought it was scratched near the date stamp...but when I put it under my loupe it looks like another stamp of some kind and I'm curious if anyone can tell if this is a post mint damage or if it's a possible error. This is the best picture I could get of the mark in question.

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 Posted 01/06/2018  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bettie57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I played around and got these pictures, not sure how to get better quality pics...
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 Posted 01/06/2018  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At first I thought it was a picture of a solar eclipse, had to scroll down.
It is a lamination error.

It happens when a thin layer of the planchet flakes off. It can happen before or after the coin is struck.

It is a collectable error, the bigger the laminated part, the more value they have.
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Upon closer look, I agree with lamination. It looked like a counterstamp to me at first for some reason.
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Try to post some clearer pictures. It could be damaged, but from what I can see, it looks like a lamination.

EDIT: The solar eclipse thing really threw me.
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Thanks for such quick responses! I apologize for the eclipse type photo lol...I am still trying to figure out a way to get a super clear picture. This is my latest attempt

What I find to be curious is how the mark seems to stretch to the outer border almost to the edge of "trust"...
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@bettie57, first welcome to CCF. Second, yes that second set of pics is much better. With the first set of pics, I also thought that it might be a counterstamp, but now it is clear that your coin has a nice area of lamination. It also looks like the pin in the lower part of the B in LIBERTY broke off from the die. Nice coin!
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It is damage, not a lamination error. Notice the pattern across the top of 1. It indents matching the disturbance in the field. Looks like a reeded edge coin size of half dollar.
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@crazyb0, I saw that too, but looking further up the line--in the vicinity of Lincoln's chin--it appears as though the surface metal has flaked up. Is that likely PMD also?
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I am going to stick with my original observation.
It is a lamination issue.

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The areas marked with the arrows show how the laminated part is still flaking off the surface of the coin.

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Claude, if it was a lam, the upper portion of the 1 would be effected, it is not, it was a full strike which would have had some indication if it was a pre or post strike lam.
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Maybe the original poster could post another picture with a close up of the 1, maybe move the light source so we can get a clearer view of it.

Sometimes it can be very difficult to see details in pictures. It's always easier with the coin in hand. To me, it looks like the 1 is affected.
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Looks like a reeded edge coin size of half dollar.


That doesn't make sense considering how long the affected area is. It's not an impact hit from a reeded coin.


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if it was a lam, the upper portion of the 1 would be effected


You may be surprised with how lams behave in fields versus devices. This is a shallow flaw. On the field, it's obvious, but not so much elsewhere.

This is definitely a peeled lamination flaw, most likely post-strike. Many times, lamination errors are more clean and consistent than damage.

That's my 4 half-cents.
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Looks like a lamination to me
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My vote is for a LAM also.
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It's definitely a lamination issue
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