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1969-P LMC Can Die Deterioration "Shave" The Devices?

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So I have seen a number of these across different years, mainly older copper coins.
In my experience it is always associated with the NW corner being very weak struck.
This "shaving" the faces of devices moving from NW to SE occurs.
Note the scroll work lines at the top of the Memorial, they are clean shaven; this can occur to columns as well and sometimes partial.
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Forgot to add the Obverse & Reverse so you can see the pristine condition of the example coin.
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That area is the thickest part of the coin and will often have a weak design because of that.
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The Depth being less? Probably an over-polished die. Looks that way on reverse with the statue disappearing. Any time there is a over-polishing problem you ususlly find grease-filled strikes too.
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The Depth being less?

To explain it better, that is the thickest part of the coin, meaning there is less pressure there during the strike. That is the area where Lincoln's shoulder is on the obverse side. It takes more metal to fill all of the devices in that area because of the extra thickness.
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That is the area where Lincoln's shoulder is on the obverse side. It takes more metal to fill all of the devices in that area because of the extra thickness.


I agree to a certain extent. The bust is a resource hog. Weakness opposite it seems very common. Often wrote off or explained as a grease filled issue.

My thinking is more of a strike setting issue. Either adjust dies closer together and risk the clash or extend the length or duration pressure is applied. That would allow material a millisecond more to complete the fill process on both sides, but would also slow down production. Thanks, Doug.
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