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1889 Indian Head Cent- No Obv/Rev Denticles

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hi everyone

i'm a new member to the forum. i've been posting things as I can get it together.

i need to 'splain my sudden presence on this forum so that this post makes sense.

i found my way here after googling '1889 Indian penny errors'. the very first hit brought me to this post from 2016 by member Brian Coner:


1889-Indian-Head-Cent--No-Obv/Rev-Denticles

that's a screenshot of part of Brian's post. that coin in his post matches my coin, an 1889 Indian Head cent with missing denticles. not missing a few, a couple, some, or many; they're missing entirely, obv & rev:


1889-Indian-Head-Cent--No-Obv/Rev-Denticles


1889-Indian-Head-Cent--No-Obv/Rev-Denticles

no denticles.

i posted the screenshot so that any of you looking at this could go back and hunt down the original post. if you find it, you will find my first few postings in which I address the handful of replies to Brian's original post.

i was taken aback as I read through the replies; no one called the coin what it was until I posted: missing denticles.

when I found mine, it took me a minute before I could see the issue. coin looked funny but I wasn't picking up on the missing denticles. coin even felt funny in my fingers. raised edges feel funny with no denticles to soften the feel of the edges.

when the missing denticles sunk in, I again went to ebay to find others and found several, past or present.

my coin is missing all denticles, both sides. looks like denticle footprints on the coin, but no actual denticles. you can see traces of denticles where they should be, but aren't.

i don't know what causes denticles to not appear on the coin during minting. i'm going to have another look at it after breakfast. when I first examined it, it seemed almost like inverted denticles. like the denticles went negative. i'll do more examining & report back later with my findings, if any.

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 Posted 01/08/2018  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrPink2018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
drat.

okay, here's a follow-up to my post:

that screenshot went pixilated and can't read the wording.


i wanted for everyone to be able to see all pertinent info in Brian's post.

1889-Indian-Head-Cent--No-Obv/Rev-Denticles

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http://goccf.com/t/261267#261267

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Hello, I came across a strange 1889 Indian Head penny. There is no readed edge but instead it's raised. I'm just trying to see if it was defected before or after minting and if it's worth anything. I've never seen one like it.The edges are raised from the coin. Thank you in advance for any help!
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First thought was it was put into a cent encasement. Some advertising was done with a cent on the obverse under a clear "plastic" with the advertisers name and address and a mirror on the reverse. About the size of a half dollar.

Or in one of the aluminum encasement made in the 20's until today.
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 Posted 01/08/2018  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slamnbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was my first thought also mox. Also you can see the remnants of the denticles-could of been a worm die to begin with and the rest wore over time just like the outer edges of the wreath
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Agree - this is simply PMD for whatever original crazed reason.
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a worn die makes sense.
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...actually, a worn die makes poor 'cents'... lol?
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Ain't no worn die!
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I get it mrpink lol...and to the forum!
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 Posted 01/08/2018  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not *that* worn.

Especially with what used to be denticles appearing faintly around parts of the rim, and the rim ridge being sharp and well-formed even though the rest of the coin is worn down to AG3-ish, I'm a fan of the encasement theory. That rim ridge should be worn away by now.
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thank you all for all the words. you've helped expand my understanding of this curious specimen.

yah, you can see my confusion with those denticle areas & the rim edge. I agree, that sucker ought to be worn down like the rest of it.

an encased Indian Head penny. anyone have a pic of something like that?
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 Posted 01/10/2018  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrPink2018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
got it, thanks.

wow, blast from the past... when I was a kid (mid/late 70s) the structure in the yard called 'garage' more resembled sanford & son's yard. on the dirty, oily, cruddy, webby work bench were thousands of loose nails, screws and other assorted junk, but there was this Lincoln Penny in an aluminum case very similar to the one in that pic amidst all that junk... it was old & crusty, saw it nearly every time I went out there.. LOL, I had forgotten... I can't rightly recollect the words on the thing, but I think it was from a local bank in sturgis, michigan. it wasn't a wheatie, either. just an LMC.

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