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About a year ago I started collecting Morgan dollars. I only collect PCGS or NGC slabbed coins graded 65 or above. Most of my collection is CAC stickered. I'm also very partial to toned dollars with 9 of my 10 dollars exhibiting nice (IMO) toning. Lately I've begun to wonder why it appears (to me anyway) that certain dates are toned more often than others. Many nicely toned dollars seem to be readily available for the years 1885, 1886, 1887, as well as 1883-O, 1884-O, and 1885-O. Some dates almost never seem to exhibit toning. My suspicion is this: Dealer/collector submits dollar to TPG for grading. They get back a nicely graded coin, but they're not going to be able to sell it for a decent profit because it's an ordinary date, so they introduce toning agent(s) knowing a nicely toned coin can fetch much more than an untoned date (I read somewhere that coins can be toned after they're in a slab, is this correct?). They don't do this with rarer dates because they risk a good profit should it not tone well. I also wonder why Morgan dollars seem to be a series that is toned much more often than any other. Am I being overly suspicious? Perhaps there's another explanation for all of these situations?
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Interesting observation. Your point can be just as easily made without any evil intentions being assumed. It would stand to reason that a dealer would keep MS65 common dates raw while submitting only the toned (which would carry a premium) specimens for the same reason. The profit they stand to make. Rarer dates would be worth submitting regardless of toning.
However, I believe the answer is something else entirely. I don't know why, but it is clear that certain series tone nicer than others. Think Peace dollar vs Morgan dollar. It may have to do with how they were made, shipped, stored, or something else but it may be just as true that certain years were more susceptible to that factor than others.
Just thinking aloud..
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Morgan dollars set in bags by the millions.

Contact and lack of contact with something other than their silver brothers produced toning.

The vast majority of applied toning is easy to detect but requires viewing thousands of coins to get to that proficiency.
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In regards to detecting "applied toning" my attitude is the old saw, "If it looks too good to be true, it probably is."
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