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 Posted 05/20/2008  5:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add theevilewok to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,
I am getting in to coin collecting for Fun and Investment...any advice on how to start? Need info like whats all this AU XF then numbers I have one box of old silver dollars from 1890's probably 12 and I really like the way solver keeps going up so been buying silver eagles!! but some go for $25 then the same year will go for $200 whats up with that? anyway just looking for help
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 Posted 05/20/2008  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My advice to you is search the boards. This forum will give you more information than you'll ever need. We have a lot of smart people here who know there stuff. Anything you want to know about coins can be found in this forum, and if its not readily available, post a question an it'll be answered.

I'm going to leave all the other questions you had up to other members of this forum. I could probably answer them myself but I believe it would be presumptuous of me to do so, since I am myself also relatively new to collecting.

I do however have some advice on coin investment. Yes, coins can be an investment tool since all coins retain a face and numismatic value which naturally appreciates. Especially if you buy into coins with precious metals in them since the trends are, over a period of time, for the price of the metals to go up. But the main reason, in my opinion, you should get into coin collecting is for the fun. Unless you plan on spending loads of money collecting key date coins and bullion coins then you not going to see a huge return on your investment. The money would probably be better off invested in stocks and bonds. For example, I bought an 1879 silver dollar in average circulated condition from a dealer for 18 dollars. So the coin was worth 1 dollar in 1879 and on 17 dollars more 130 years later. A long time to wait for a 17 dollar profit. The types of coins that will rapidly appreciate in your lifetime are key date and bullion coins that commonly commonly sell for thousands.

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 Posted 05/20/2008  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1337 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your talking about the 2008 Silver eagle. it is because the one that is going for 200 is the one with a 2007 reverse (It was a error by the mint), the ones going for 25 are the normal ones with the 2008 reverse. I recommend you buy a Red Book. AU, XF, MS-63, G, AG are all grades of a coin. A Red Book will tell you how too grade each coin.

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 Posted 05/20/2008  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1337 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also welcome to the forum. Also look up words you need help with in the coin community glossary. Its on the left in 2nd box 3rd hyperlink.

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 Posted 05/20/2008  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I agree with Elimist, coin collecting should first and foremost be fun. If you happen to make some money, then that is a bonus. IMHO, there are much better investment options than coins. Even though I have been collecting for almost thirty years and consider myself an expert on some aspects, I am still very uncomfortable with buying coins as an investment.


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Need info like whats all this AU XF
These are coin grading designations:

AG3 - About Good
G4 - Good
VG8 - Very Good
F12 - Fine
VF20 - Very Fine
EF40 - Extremely Fine
AU50 - About Uncirculated
MS60+ - Uncirculated (Various Levels, 60 to 70)


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 Posted 05/20/2008  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like stated above, check the site and buy some books and other resources. I have been collecting a little bit my entire life but nothing really seriously until about 2 years ago. I looked at places online and it seemed that a lot of sites contradicted themselves and did not really help out when it came down to knowing the basics (until I found this one).

I am at work right now so the books that I want to refer you to are not in front of me, but I would suggest 1. a Red Book, 2. a book that shows pictures of each coin and the different grades and 3. look into the different magazines out there. These 3 sources alone will give you a huge advantage by knowing what you have already before you start collecting. Like most others on this board, I do it for fun so my collection is not worth a lot of money but been more fun finding things and learning about other coins.

Investment: from some people I know that do this you really need a lot of cash up front and able to turn around and sell about as fast. At my local store there are a handful of people that buy silver and gold in large amounts and then turn around and sell it when it hits peak highs. The problem with this is that you have to be glued to the market because they can vary $2-30 in a matter of minutes. Also, you need to be able to sell them back at some type of a profit and not at a loss. If you have been collecting for awhile and had a stock pile of gold and silver then you could have made a killing this year.

The other thing to look at is what is hot at the moment and what will be in the future, and again this turns into a guessing game and having to sit on it for awhile. The best thing to do is look for really good prices either online, stores or yard sales. Every once in awhile you can find something for almost nothing and be able to sell it the same day for a profit. For example, my coin store has a half off table that always has something on it of interest. Most of the time you could buy these and turn around on ebay for a quick small profit. But sometimes combining these items will help drive up the price as well. A lot of items that people collect are coins from around the turn of the century and early 1900's silver. So Morgan dollars, Mercury dimes, Indian head pennies, etc are always something to look at.

But as I said earlier, learn before you buy or you will end up hurting yourself more than helping. Don't worry, you will get burned a couple of times and this is good because you will learn from your mistakes. So I would also suggest to start investing in cheaper coins and moving up as your knowledge grows.
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 Posted 05/20/2008  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add americanmoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the info guys
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 Posted 05/20/2008  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am finally home and looking at the books I was talking about earlier:
1. "The Official American Numismatic Association Grading Standards for United States coins" is what I use to look for the grade of a coin. There are pictures of virtually every US coin made and descriptions to understand why it is that grade.

2. "Official Blackbook Price Guide to United States Paper Money" if you decide to buy any types of paper money.

3. Magazines: I usually buy COINValues when I can find it and when I can not I buy COINage. Both magazines have their own different price guides, articles about currency and ads to deals, dealers and resources so it just comes down to which one you prefer. If you start going to local coin stores it would be a good idea to know what they use for their pricing, my store uses COINValues so that is the one I stick with.
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 Posted 05/21/2008  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WELCOME TO THE FORUM.
My advise is to just first purchase the Red Book which is published by Whitman Publishing. Sold almost anywhere but I used to get mine at coin shows or the flea markets. You may also want to try Walmart Books. Used to be the cheapest place for that book. For now I would say do not purchase a pile of books until you are sure you will stick to the hobby. Way to many people run out and buy books, albums, holders, etc and then loose interest. Remember the Beanie Babies? People were buying special made plastic holders for them. Now they are? Same with baseball/football cards, Hot Wheel cars, US Stamps, etc. People waste just to much on a hobby at first and then are sorry later. Take your time, look into all the coins, talk to people here. I would suggest you find it there is a coin show in your area and attend one or more. And don't go there with the intent of buying anything, just look for now. Get familiar with this hobby so you don't loose interest and have to much invested which may tend to help you loose interest.
Of course there is one more thing. If you start collecting coins, there will be less for me. So more advise would be to not start collecting, send what you now have to me and I'll be happy and you'll be a little poorer.
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Welcome to CC and the hobby! Warning...it's very addicting.
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 Posted 05/22/2008  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add romekd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You told, that coins isn't best investment and gives a small profit margin. But it isn't absolutely true. I don't know about the USA, but - as I said - in my country, Poland, modern coins are very popular investment tool: "For example coin "Falcon", which has been issued on Janurary 2008 has got issued price only 91 PLN (1 USD = 2,2 PLN), but in the same day on internet auctions it costs over 400 PLN. Near the National Bank of Poland, which has been emited that coin, were very long waiting lines (a dozen or so TAUSENDS people). This lucky people, who can buy this coin, earn 400% in one day! I also tried to invest in Polish modern coins and I make over 800% in 6 months!".
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