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2018 Preamble To The Declaration Of Independence Platinum Proof Coin

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 Posted 01/18/2018  6:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Only 20,000 to be minted. Anyone going to buy...or stay away?
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 Posted 01/18/2018  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JFH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the words of ALF........Pass
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Thanks......Will take the advice!
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 Posted 01/19/2018  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Love the reverse Eagle. Might buy one just for that. But $2000 seems excessive price wise.

Ill wait a few years for a possible price drop.
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 Posted 01/25/2018  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this a better buy at $1.420?
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 Posted 01/25/2018  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That $2000 price that Moxking was quoting was quite an exaggeration.

It looks like the Mint is pricing this coin the same as the normal platinum eagle proof. You can see how that varies in price with the price of platinum by looking at the Mint's pricing grid.

Platinum would have to go to $1,600 an ounce for the Mint to price this coin at $2,000. That's a 60% increase in the price of platinum from where it's currently trading.

Is $1420 a good price? Not sure, but don't think you're getting a fire sale price down from $2,000 because you're not. It's just the normal price based on where the platinum spot price is currently trading.

There is a bit of a "deal" on this coin when compared to how the mint is pricing the 1/10 ounce liberty gold coin. The Mint is pricing that coin more than 10% higher than the regular gold eagle 1/10 ounce proof coin. So, it has a premium associated with it when compared to the bullion coin. That's not the case for the platinum coins. So, no premium. What a deal!
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 Posted 01/25/2018  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So with only 20,000 minted is this worth buying or not?
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Only the first year of issue (1997) has a mintage of more than 20,000 (just barely at 20,851). Will the fact the Mint is changing both the reverse (which is changed every year) and the obverse (first time it has changed) be enough of a draw for a sell out? It'll probably be tough at one coin per household.

I'm not interested in the coin, but if I were then I'd probably wait and see a few weekly production reports first. Also, if the Mint removes the household limit, then that will tell you there's not a lot of demand.
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My personal opinion is that although the mintage is incredibly low, so will the market demand be.

The main factor I theorize (note that word) in all of this is that the platinum coins will be something only 20,000 people will have had a personal experience with (if they even sell out).

Compare this with a 1909 VDB S cent. Many more people than 20,000 have been able to have first hand experience with this cent. Its more "real" in the public mind than a coin initially issued only as an obscure commemorative that most people have never heard of (but who has not hear of the Lincoln Cent?). Also,only 20k people will ever have first hand experience with this commemorative - which also makes the market, overall, not very large. If masses and masses of people arn't even aware something exists, the market remains small.

The initial offering price is also something prohibitive to a wide audience (but not unreasonable since its platinum). Hence the initial market demand is also small. It will be interesting to see if these all sell or not.







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 Posted 01/25/2018  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pass for me.

I believe the 1st Pt offering from the US Mint was in 1997.... similar to AGEs, the APEs were 1/10, 1/4, 1/2 and 1 oz at the time. Unlike their Au counterparts, the Pt issues from the early 2000s are still under water from a precious metal perspective.

Not that matters one iota from a collector perspective. Just food for thought.



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 Posted 01/26/2018  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the instructive feedback
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Household limit was lifted this afternoon, a sure sign of weak demand, but it does let volume sellers step in and order a truckload of them if they want to.
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Household limit was lifted this afternoon, a sure sign of weak demand, but it does let volume sellers step in and order a truckload of them if they want to.


If volume sellers wanted them they'd be sold out already. A HH limit has never stopped them from getting their share, all the limits have ever done is drive up the after market price on the very fast sell outs
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